There is also no doubt the second half of Evan's program kicked Plushy's x x x.
What's your point? Plushy did this , Evan did that.
Whining and poor sportsmanship doesn't change that Evan is the Olympic champion and Plushy is a bad loser.
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Well Plushenkos gold winning performance was far superior to Lysaceks- He had a quad triple. The first half of Lysackes free skate was much much easier than Plushenkos which is why he did more in the second half. Why is it that only the second half matters now? "Well this person did a quad triple in the first half" "well this person did a 3 triple jumps in the second so that is much better!" What kind of weirdness is going on in skating now??? LOL !!! I guess some people just want jumps to be backloaded no matter what even if it means the end of quads or possibly triples going by Lepisto's world medal.
I recall Putin called Plush, gave a nationalistic peptalk and told him he was the winner....or whatever.
Geez, this is the Putin who has shut down much of the free press and media in Russia.
What are you thinking about here? Plushy and his friends can whine and insult Evan all they want - and posters can point out his poor sportsmanship. That is freedom of speech.
Plushy has every right to keep complaining, in N. America atleast.
Where is freedom of speech part of this
All American olympians were invited to the white house-it's not like no on cares about the olympics in the white house. they are represerntiaves of the US
If you eleminate the second step sequence from the short programs and score the second step sequence in the FS as the soon to be ChSt element, Plushenko again wins. In addition, if he has a 4S Pluchenko adds a second quad to the SP and opens up his lead by several more points. Both skaters will have to adjust their spin features to adjust for the new features requirements, but that probaly willnot chage their leves or scores much.
If Lysacek does not have a quad in the short and the long, and Plushenko has two each in the short and the long, I don't see how Lysacak overcomes the changes which all faver the quad (call them collectively the Plushenko rules).
A underrotated 4T with 70% scored at -2 will get 5.2 points, where 3Lo is 5.1 and 3F is 5.3 in BV. So he is better to do the triples well and get +GoE which will give more than 5.2
A fall on 4T now will give him 6.3, which is more than the 6.0 BV for the 3Lz, so maybe it is worth trying the quad if he can get all the way around on it. But even so, if Plushenko has four clean quads and Lysacek tryes a few and falls down, I expect Lysacek still loses.
The rules seem clearly designed to make it much more difficult for a skater without a quad to win. It is ironic that after the Men's event, the ISU bigwigs (including speedy) rushed to say the result was exactly right because the system was designed for the best all around skater to win. And then they go home and cook up new rules that favor a Plushenko type skater over a Lysacek type skater.
(added after running the numbers)
Remove the second steps sequence from the short, make the second step sequence in the long ChSt, give Lysacek a 4T in the short and the long with a fall on both, Lysacek wins. Then give Plushenk a second quad in the short or the long, Plushenko wins.
Last edited by gsrossano; 05-21-2010 at 10:04 PM.
I liked the way Evan handled himself in Vancouver, neither bragging or slinging insults at his fellow competitors.
And as a representative of Russia, did Plushy show the world what Russians are like? Did he represent his country with good sportsmanship and Olympic spirit?
Who is to say how Evan would have reacted if he had come in second and by such a close margin?
Maybe he would have shown no class and made disparaging remarks about Plushy. If he did he would not have been treated like a hero and invited to the Whitehouse for a state dinner.
Perhaps that is an unfair comparison - because in the USA figure skating is just not that important or popular.
Here is Evan is talking about it - he says it is hard to lose and says Plushy deserves the benefit if the doubt. I think he is right and wonder if these two competitors will meet again in the future?
If they do, only one can win. I don't think any new rules will be the determining factor. Just like we saw in Vancouver - it will be about who skates the best that night.
Last edited by janetfan; 05-22-2010 at 07:40 AM.
It's very easy to be a gracious winner; not as many athletes do as well in defeat, even when the winner is clearly deserving. One has only to look at Evan Lysacek's response to losing 2010 Nationals to see that he's not always a shining model of grace and class.
OTOH, despite their younger age and the crushing pressure both have been under in the past few years, Yu-Na Kim and Mao Asada have managed to stay professional and classy.
Plushenko would have won under the new rules. He won easily under the 2006 version of IJS, and this one would have been closer, but the numbers would have gone his way. The proposed changes seem to directly address some of the trends we've seen in men's skating these last couple of years, and it remains to be seen how skaters who benefited from taking a more calculated approach will deal with the new scoring. I would be extremely surprised if any of the Olympic medalists other than Dai will return, so the argument, in their case, is moot.
But the Lysacek bashers will always manage to find a way to criticize him and comparing Natls to the Olympics feels a bit like "apples and oranges."
Most would agree they are not the same thing.
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I remember in 2007 as Evan "wasted" his best Carmen at US Nationals and at Worlds he did not come even close. I felt really disappointed.
Last edited by Jaana; 05-22-2010 at 11:24 AM.