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    Lysacek Vs. Abbott: National Performances

    So I've been thinking about this recently; if you were to put these two performances against each other, who would come out on top? Both were spot-on and received HUGE segment scores.

    Evan's 2007 FS:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8zJXcviX0I
    Jump layout:
    4T+3T
    3A
    3L
    3S
    3A+3T x
    3F+2T+2L x
    3Z x
    2A x
    Base value (using last season's standards): 64.5

    Jeremy's 2010 FS:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXS8x44z9Sk
    Jump layout:
    4T
    3F
    3A+3T
    2A
    3Z+2T x
    3Z+3T+2L x
    3L x
    3S x
    Base value (using last season's standards): 62.13

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCOSurfer View Post
    So I've been thinking about this recently; if you were to put these two performances against each other, who would come out on top? Both were spot-on and received HUGE segment scores.

    Evan's 2007 FS:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8zJXcviX0I
    Jump layout:
    4T+3T
    3A
    3L
    3S
    3A+3T x
    3F+2T+2L x
    3Z x
    2A x
    Base value (using last season's standards): 64.5

    Jeremy's 2010 FS:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXS8x44z9Sk
    Jump layout:
    4T
    3F
    3A+3T
    2A
    3Z+2T x
    3Z+3T+2L x
    3L x
    3S x
    Base value (using last season's standards): 62.13
    Very interesting. I suppose Evan would come out on top, point-wise. But definitely prefer Jeremy's. Jeremy's LP this year was one of the best I've ever seen at nationals. His SP too.

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    If I were judging I would give it to Jeremy because he's a natural artist and it shows unlike Evan.

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    Indeed.

    However, Jeremy should take page out of Evan's book when it comes to costumes. Why on Earth does Jeremy think he looks good in pale purple and electric blue? It only brings out his pastiness. What's next, pale pink? Mint green?

    One word for you, Jeremy: BLACK.

    OTH, Evan could think about a little bit of red, maybe even some shade of yellow highlights in his costumes. What's the point of working so hard to keep up a fake tan if you're only going to wear black?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Layfan View Post
    However, Jeremy should take page out of Evan's book when it comes to costumes. Why on Earth does Jeremy think he looks good in pale purple and electric blue? It only brings out his pastiness. What's next, pale pink? Mint green?
    ***?! And you think Evan looks good wearing a skin tight costume with a cross on his chest, dressed as a black christmas tree, wearing snakes across his body, dressed as a black feathery bird, and looking like he's going to a Star Trek convention?

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    Quote Originally Posted by museksk8r View Post
    ***?! And you think Evan looks good wearing a skin tight costume with a cross on his chest, dressed as a black christmas tree, wearing snakes across his body, dressed as a black feathery bird, and looking like he's going to a Star Trek convention?
    Huh?

    Dude. My point was that Jeremy would look better in black ... :sheesh:

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    Quote Originally Posted by lavender View Post
    If I were judging I would give it to Jeremy because he's a natural artist and it shows unlike Evan.
    Me too! A clean Evan doesn't hold a candle to a clean Jeremy!

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    One of the reasons I do not get is comparing personal bests of two or more skaters because PBs can change even within one competition when judges change from SP to LP. The PBs are nice for the skater to know and it probably gives him more confidence.

    For generalized performances, it more than likely is a fan's choice.

    For competitive performances, it should be done by accumulating the scores of several skaters and finding the averages for each skater during a season.

    However the tastes of individual fans vary for many reasons, and it's tough to figure out a consensus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Layfan View Post
    Very interesting. I suppose Evan would come out on top, point-wise. But definitely prefer Jeremy's. Jeremy's LP this year was one of the best I've ever seen at nationals. His SP too.
    Those two are my two favorite men's performances at nationals ever, maybe just ever, ever. As much as I love Evan, that title belonged to Jeremey. IMO nobody could skate better. Sure Evan had a slightly better base value but he does not come close to Jeremey's edges, his in depth interpretation of the music, transitions. When Abbott skates like that, that, to me, is IJS at its best.

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    Jeremy would be still the winner. Though his base value is lower than Evan's, Jeremy would get higher GOE. His performance was so well put together and executed so well. His style remind me of Yu Na's. I was so sad when he didn't have a great Olympic performance. If he skated clean, I think he could have won the OGM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinymavy15 View Post
    When Abbott skates like that, that, to me, is IJS at its best.
    I have been a fan of Abbott since I saw his performances live in Finlandia Trophy some years ago. Unfortunately Abbott does not seem to shine in major international competitions, his best performances have occurred in US Nationals and in GPF in one year. Has he a tendency to peak too early or is he just a not very good competitor in bigger events than Nationals?

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    Jeremy was the first American man to win the Senior Grand Prix Final. Then when he won Nationals, I had high hopes. But he faltered at Worlds ( twice ) and the Olympics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PolymerBob View Post
    Jeremy was the first American man to win the Senior Grand Prix Final. Then when he won Nationals, I had high hopes. But he faltered at Worlds ( twice ) and the Olympics.
    It's such a pity. His 2010 Nationals LP is one of my favorite CoP figure skating moments. He had me riding such high, high hopes. I thought he was destined to become a decorated skater, with a World title, possibly two. If those Nationals performances had materialized in Vancouver, he might just have won the whole thing. Then maybe we wouldn't have had that nasty fight over a quadless champion. But oh well. Fate has it that he falters on the big stage. I'm hoping his luck will change next year. His talent is too big to let waste without a fitting crown.

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