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    Quote Originally Posted by YunaBliss View Post
    I am only here to protest against certain prejudice, injustice, and political incorrectness that I sometimes see in this forum - it's subtle, but it's pervasive.
    Then I'd ask you to stick up for Mao, Laura, and other skaters as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    Heck, yeah! I'm from Detroit, and the Detroit Pistons had a guy named Joe Dumars who had Michael in his pocket. Here's Joe (number 4) on the cover of Sports illustrated in 1990.

    http://www.rayimre.com/d/940-2/Joe+Dumars+11-6-89.JPG

    We tore up Jordan and the Chicago Bulls in the playoffs on the way to the 1989 and 1990 NBA championships.

    Then in 1991 those cheating NBA referees got together with the crooked politicians in the NBA commissioners office -- personally, I think the Chicago mob made them an offer they couldn't refuse -- so they let Michael win in 1991.

    Knicks fans didn't like Michael, either--because he kicked their team's butt!

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    Quote Originally Posted by YunaBliss View Post
    Yuna gave two of the absolute best performances in the history of figure skating at the Olympics, owns all the world records, and no one has ever approached near her scoring level, and you want to point out the "faults" in her skating... lol.

    I wonder if Michael Jordan had so many "critics" when he was at his peak? Why is it that some people have hard time just admiring a truly wonderful thing and must try to be a cynic all the time? My suggestion is take a deep breath, and try to enjoy and appreciate what life offers you.

    Anyway, I absolutely love Scott Hamilton and Sandra Bezic. They have jobs as commentators, but they also don't hide the fact that they are true admirers of Yuna. I could probably fill up 10 pages of this thread with amazing things Scott and Sandra have said about Yuna on air.

    As for being an "artist", Yuna is one of the greatest artists there is, who also happen to be one of the greatest jumpers.

    Personally, I have never seen more artistic and moving performances than Yuna's Danse Macabre and Gershwin by any individual. I grew up watching Michelle Kwan when she was at her peak, but I never felt the same sense of sheer awe that I now feel when watching Yuna. The only other skater that actually came close was Gordeeva/Grinkov.
    Oh, YunaBliss I feel your pain. As a proud member of Kwan Nation, I understand the dismay when other posters don't see the sheer perfection of our favorites and see that they are beyond the mere mortals that compete against them - its a burden we must share.

    How I get through it is to keep in mind that in sports there is no such thing as perfection. All athletes, including Kwan Yuna and Jordan, have areas in which they could and should improve... For example, Kwan continued to work on her speed and spins, Jordon on his defensive play and Yuna, hopefully, on developing a complete set of triples and her spirals. Sports are about constant, consistent improvement and if you want to be the best - you have to earn it.

    As for Sandra & Scott - I love 'em when they love my favorites, hate them when they don't and annoyed when they don't do their jobs - witnessed at the 2010 Olympics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Layfan View Post
    Yeah, that's another important thing about spirals, no? Showing off how strong enough you are to hold your leg up? It's one thing I've noticed about Mao, for instance, she has great flexibility but she does that spiral where she holds her leg up at the knee. So it's prettier than Yuna's but maybe Yuna's shows off her strength more, I dunno ... people can feel free to correct me, I'm just wondering...
    I know what you mean about that inside leg hold at the knee. Maybe she sees it as a signature move the way Nancy used to do her spiral. Dick was not a fan of that position and would criticize Nancy.

    On watching Danse Macabre again, I realize you are right Layfan. It is her best program and I think more difficult to perform. Who doesn't love Gershwin, though and it was a great choice for her Olympic program. She really is a different skater now with the sexy, confident Bond Girl. Lark Ascending is a nice look back at innocence in her skating from that time. I can only say David Wilson is a wizard. Lori and he are skating choreographers I admire most. They are in a league by themselves.

    With Yu-Na it's not just spiral position, they are bouncy, not solid like Michelle's. Her spins vary in quality. In the past 6.0 skaters could work hard on these elements. They are part of what I enjoy most. I agree Tinymavy15 she is perfectly packaged. Very glam lady. Do you know who did her LP dress this year? I loved it, though I wondered who did her Gala dress. Too blah. She looks great in bold colors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by princess9 View Post
    Very glam lady. Do you know who did her LP dress this year? I loved it, though I wondered who did her Gala dress. Too blah. She looks great in bold colors.
    Finally! Someone who agrees with me about the Gala dress! A lot of people fawned over it, saying that it was simple and elegant. I just thought it was a bit ... matronly.

    &Who doesn't love her LP dress? (:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kwanford Wife View Post
    Oh, YunaBliss I feel your pain. As a proud member of Kwan Nation, I understand the dismay when other posters don't see the sheer perfection of our favorites and see that they are beyond the mere mortals that compete against them - its a burden we must share.

    How I get through it is to keep in mind that in sports there is no such thing as perfection. All athletes, including Kwan Yuna and Jordan, have areas in which they could and should improve... For example, Kwan continued to work on her speed and spins, Jordon on his defensive play and Yuna, hopefully, on developing a complete set of triples and her spirals. Sports are about constant, consistent improvement and if you want to be the best - you have to earn it.
    Nation? We have a nation? I demand a passport and a flag. (Designed by Vera Wang.)

    As for YuNa's dresses: I loved both the long program dress and the short program dress. I love that they are a simple, sleek shape, not fussy. Michelle seemed to have the same taste. Both Michelle and YuNa do look best in strong colors and in black, I agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aftertherain View Post
    Finally! Someone who agrees with me about the Gala dress! A lot of people fawned over it, saying that it was simple and elegant. I just thought it was a bit ... matronly.

    &Who doesn't love her LP dress? (:
    Well... some think her LP dress was TOO simple XD Imagine! Never thought I'd hear that in figure skating, considering all the grumbling I hear from non FS fans about how figure skating's not a sport because the outfits are too over-the-top (some even calling for no pretty outfits! :O) XD

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    Thank you Layfan and others for the insight about Yuna's spirals. Glad to hear you liked Danse Macabre, princess9.

    This may not be the best spiral even from the Yuna's standard. A little shaky. But interesting to listen to what the commentators are saying about her spiral sequences, especially the speed, which I think is the very quality that only a few other skaters have. She does have good edges too.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CW8FAj7Wbc

    Hearing complaints about Yuna's spirals so many times, I have seen other skaters' spirals for comparison. And my conclusion is that I like Kwan's the best. Solid and magnificent... Sasha's is good but not quite my cup of tea because of the position that I don't usually like. Mao's is slower, sometimes pretty but not my cup of tea. People say Alissa's is one of the best but I wondered why I felt a bit of stiffness there though she is one of the most flexible ladies. But I am not an expert so please enlighten me.

    Anyway, I don't think this Worlds 1996 performance shows Kwan's best sprirals either but she was only 16. However, really impressive overall.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKmUW8wPB0s

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    Quote Originally Posted by sunny0760 View Post
    Thank you Layfan and others for the insight about Yuna's spirals. Glad to hear you liked Danse Macabre, princess9.

    This may not be the best spiral even from the Yuna's standard. A little shaky. But interesting to listen to what the commentators are saying about her spiral sequences, especially the speed, which I think is the very quality that only a few other skaters have. She does have good edges too.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CW8FAj7Wbc

    Hearing complaints about Yuna's spirals so many times, I have seen other skaters' spirals for comparison. And my conclusion is that I like Kwan's the best. Solid and magnificent... Sasha's is good but not quite my cup of tea because of the position that I don't usually like. Mao's is slower, sometimes pretty but not my cup of tea. People say Alissa's is one of the best but I wondered why I felt a bit of stiffness there though she is one of the most flexible ladies. But I am not an expert so please enlighten me.

    Anyway, I don't think this Worlds 1996 performance shows Kwan's best sprirals either but she was only 16. However, really impressive overall.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKmUW8wPB0s
    Personally, I think Yuna's spirals are fine if she didn't have to do all these required positions. I believe most ladies do the beillman because it can rack up points. Some spirals such as the beillman do require good flexibility to appear aesthetically pleasing. Under the old system, Michelle were given more freedom to do spirals that enhanced her strengths.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilith11 View Post
    Well... some think her LP dress was TOO simple XD Imagine! Never thought I'd hear that in figure skating, considering all the grumbling I hear from non FS fans about how figure skating's not a sport because the outfits are too over-the-top (some even calling for no pretty outfits! :O) XD
    WHAAAAT? Dang. I was thankful that it was simple. It was quite elegant and beautiful. One of the most beautiful I've ever seen, IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kwanford Wife View Post

    All athletes, including Kwan Yuna and Jordan, have areas in which they could and should improve... For example, Kwan continued to work on her speed and spins, Jordon on his defensive play and Yuna, hopefully, on developing a complete set of triples and her spirals. Sports are about constant, consistent improvement and if you want to be the best - you have to earn it.
    Just to be clear, Yuna mastered the complete set of triples (lutz, flip, loop, salchow, toe) by her 6th grade, excluding axel of course. And I have a feeling that with the potential new changes in the rules, she will be bringing back her triple loop.

    I have a question - has Mao ever performed Triple Lutz in competition?

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    You've been given some great advice by fellow diehard fans. I would suggest you listen a bit more to them and be open to what they and others have to say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonichelle View Post
    You've been given some great advice by fellow diehard fans. I would suggest you listen a bit more to them and be open to what they and others have to say.
    I don't find anything wrong with yunabliss' postings.
    Even though yunabliss praises yuna more than anybody, everything is based on facts.

    And many many many silent fans agree with yunabliss...including myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Layfan View Post
    Yeah, that's another important thing about spirals, no? Showing off how strong enough you are to hold your leg up? It's one thing I've noticed about Mao, for instance, she has great flexibility but she does that spiral where she holds her leg up at the knee. So it's prettier than Yuna's but maybe Yuna's shows off her strength more, I dunno ... people can feel free to correct me, I'm just wondering...
    I don't think lack of strength is the reason she does it that way, because last year in Paris she actually failed to get into her usual position so she had to do it without the hand assistance:
    http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/1203/mao4t.jpg
    http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/3716/mao5.jpg

    And I think in her 2006-2007 sp she always did it that way.
    Last edited by Zora; 06-05-2010 at 07:20 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zora View Post
    I don't think lack of strength is the reason she does it that way, because last year in Paris she actually failed to get into her usual position so she had to do it without the hand assistance:
    http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/1203/mao4t.jpg
    http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/3716/mao5.jpg

    And I think in her 2006-2007 sp she always did it that way.
    Lack of hand assistance is the arabesque spiral. Mao usually does the kerrigan spiral and the beillman which requires hand assistance. She did the arabesque spiral in her Nocturne SP.

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