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Thread: Looking back to SLC and pairs event

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    Well, as always, I learned stuff from this thread I'd forgotten. Actually, for these four skaters, they got more attention than they ever would have and great pro careers. Everyone remembers them. So, though I feel B/S were artistically awesome, the big losers were the skaters who have to deal with CoP. And all the fans who don't understand at all why someone so superior loses due to slight jump UR's. I don't think we've seen the most inspiring competitions under CoP. I don't want to point out any particular skaters/winners to avoid offending anyone.

    Is it more honest now? I don't know. I have to laugh at the comment regarding Kerrigan/Baiul. Sorry if this is such a dead horse for the long time regular regulars.

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    I don't think we've seen the most inspiring competitions under CoP
    Olympics. Womens. 2010. You'd have to go down to 12TH in the long program to find a fall. Can you think of a pre-COP event that had that kind of success?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImaginaryPogue View Post
    Olympics. Womens. 2010. You'd have to go down to 12TH in the long program to find a fall. Can you think of a pre-COP event that had that kind of success?
    not in terms of staying upright. But that's not due to CoP rules and requirements.

    I saw some great programs, without falls, but does that make for inspiration? I'll be honest, a rare commodity anywhere. I liked Kims programs more than any past ones. Was I inspired? Not really as much as I have been in other years. I can't really say why. Mao was not the mao I ike to see. Liked the axels, hated her programs. JoRo's SP was the most moving, but hard to watch for me, just too much of a worry for her and I truly cried a lot. It was the most memorable ladies skate for me anyway but she was not at her best. Not the olympics I hoped for her despite the medal. Loved Mirai! What a joy. Best performance for me. Perfect skater-what an event. I was sad for Rachel as I felt she was downgraded unfairly and was sent a message by the international judges re their opinion of her skating. There were some pleasant skaters. Lepisto has quality I like and Ksenia was a surprise to me. When I think of the podium, my fave is Nagano.

    Tara and Sarah surprised me with great joyous freeskates I did not see coming. The upsets were so exciting and with such difficult programs. Kim performed as I expected. Great athlete but I'm more about what I consider artistry. (Nakano, Michelle, Sasha, Shizuka, matured Kristi, Katia, Mao in the past seasons-you get my taste) In Vancouver, not just in FS, everyone who was favored to win gold did. No exciting upsets on podiums. You only mention ladies so I'll stop there. My favorite performance otherwise came from V/M. I am once again a big fan of ice dance. It was spectacular. Absolutely the most beautiful thing I saw on the ice in Vancouver-hugely satisfying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by princess9 View Post
    not in terms of staying upright. But that's not due to CoP rules and requirements.

    I saw some great programs, without falls, but does that make for inspiration? I'll be honest, a rare commodity anywhere. I liked Kims programs more than any past ones. Was I inspired? Not really as much as I have been in other years. I can't really say why. Mao was not the mao I ike to see. Liked the axels, hated her programs. JoRo's SP was the most moving, but hard to watch for me, just too much of a worry for her and I truly cried a lot. It was the most memorable ladies skate for me anyway but she was not at her best. Not the olympics I hoped for her despite the medal. Loved Mirai! What a joy. Best performance for me. Perfect skater-what an event. I was sad for Rachel as I felt she was downgraded unfairly and was sent a message by the international judges re their opinion of her skating. There were some pleasant skaters. Lepisto has quality I like and Ksenia was a surprise to me. When I think of the podium, my fave is Nagano.

    Tara and Sarah surprised me with great joyous freeskates I did not see coming. The upsets were so exciting and with such difficult programs. Kim performed as I expected. Great athlete but I'm more about what I consider artistry. (Nakano, Michelle, Sasha, Shizuka, matured Kristi, Katia, Mao in the past seasons-you get my taste) In Vancouver, not just in FS, everyone who was favored to win gold did. No exciting upsets on podiums. You only mention ladies so I'll stop there. My favorite performance otherwise came from V/M. I am once again a big fan of ice dance. It was spectacular. Absolutely the most beautiful thing I saw on the ice in Vancouver-hugely satisfying.
    Heh. I'm not sure if you've read a lot of my posts on the subject, but I love COP and I tend to defend it vociferously. But the Nagano podium was definitely a great one.

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    I recently just watched the programs again-at the time of the 2002 Olympics I was just rooting for the Russian team because sometimes you just want streaks to continue and success to lead to more success so I was angry at the two gold medals because what I would hear at the time was that the Russians program was harder artistically and that Anton's mistakes weren't that big so with the harder program overall I wanted the RUssians to win. So when I watched again a few weeks ago you really did forget all about Anton's mistakes because B/S just put you under a spell and I just didn't connect with S/P at all. Even if they were technically perfect that night-they won the technical mark and that's all they deserved to win.

    I just focused on the programs themselves! Oops well I don't think the deal that Le Gougne mentioned made any sense because if the Russian Ice Dance team did well how could the Russian judge vote for the French team? I mean that just doesn't make any sense at all? Unless the deal was that the Russian judge would rank the second Russian ICe dance team first the french team second and the first RUssian dance team third or lower or something? That part of the deal makes no sense. I just don't get it?
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    :sheesh: gmyers..The point is that all judges have always been supposed to give marks according to merit, not nationality. That year, A/P were widely considered the best in the field. Barring any mistakes , most people considered that they should win. The Russian judge and others should have voted for the French team if they did better,no matter how well the Russian team did.

    But in the 2 or 3 years previous to the games,in particular, there had been a lot of suspicions , grumblings ,and accusations of judging improprieties. Many, many people considered that A/Pshould have won the 2001 WC over Fusar-Poli / Margaglio. At the same time, many people were equally shocked that in 2001 Lobacheva / Averbukh came back after an absence due to injury and won the bronze over a number of very good pairs who were in top condition.

    Many people felt that if FP/M had not had Tarasova as their coach they could not have achieved their 2001 result. FP/M and TT were still in the mix ; L/A were enjoying an eyebrow-raising come back , with B/K and D/V also in the mix. Therefore the "deal" could have been not to push either the Italians or Russians ahead unfairly.

    If there were nefarious goings-on, it would be extremely stupid to make it apples for apples..it makes it too noticeable. It's more likely to be an apple for half an orange and a couple of raisins..or whatever adds up to equal an apple in the minds of the players.
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    I think it may have been on a television program which I heard Skate Canada had begun proceedings to have the SLC matter turned over to the "Court of Arbitration for Sports" (since they felt the matter would be ignored). The case had actually been accepted by the court for investigation. Unlike the IOC and ISU, CAS is a more public venue, which meant any dirty laundry may have been exposed to the media. According to the information presented, this was something both the IOC and ISU did not want. The IOC pressured the ISU to find a resolution ASAP. Hence, the decision to award the second gold was made. This appeased Skate Canada, and the request to CAS was withdrawn.

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    There were rumors that Anton S would be the new president due to his very good past work in politics, but elections were today and the new president of RF is Aleksandr Gorshkov!

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    As soon as they elected the new president they took away all the presidents power and gave it to the new position Piseev will hold!!!! LOL !!! LOL !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by seniorita View Post
    There were rumors that Anton S would be the new president due to his very good past work in politics, but elections were today and the new president of RF is Aleksandr Gorshkov!
    Gorshkov? No kidding? I haven't followed his career at all since he skated with Pakhomova. I have to assume he's been active in skating circles. Can you give us any details on his background, Seniorita?

    I see, though, that gmyers says that Piseev still retains power. Well, it'll be interesting to see how this plays out.

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    Ha ! the more things change , the more they stay the same. where does that leave Gorshkov with the ISU ?
    He's the current head of the ISU technical committee. I believe it was Gorshkov who edged out Sally Stapleford when she was dumped,..Maybe Alla will take his old spot ?

    Does this merit it's own thread ?
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    Can you give us any details on his background, Seniorita?
    To be honest I was unborn when Gorshkov won the Olympics and I did not know him until a couple of years ago that I saw old videos, so I cant tell you anything interesting. I know he was the head of ice dance technical com and that because I read it, thats all. I had seen him a lot commenting on some stuff around Olys period.
    About Pissev, I dont know if I can quote from another forum but I do cause I cant rephrase it and if its not ok delete it
    However Piseev was chosen a general manager of RFSF today and according to a new regulations which were also voted in Novogorsk all powers of RFSF president are delegated to RFSF general manager from now on.
    It seems they have new president but Pisseev will rule again. Bizarre.

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    Wow, no wonder you didn't try to rephrase that, Seniorita! There's no way to tiptoe around that one. That's as brass-faced a statement as I've ever seen.

    I see from Colleen's post right before yours that Gorshkov has been a power in the technical committee. So that answers my original question. I blush to admit that I don't really pay attention to who's in charge in the ISU or the other skating organizations. The skaters show up, I enjoy their programs, and that's it. This is why I depend on you folk on the site!

    Does anyone else know of other former skating champions who have ended up in positions of influence in their national skating organizations, or in the ISU? I do remember that one of the judges in 1998 for the ladies' competition was former German (really East German) world champion Jan Hoffmann, and that he put Kwan first in ordinals (remember ordinals?) on the strength of her artistry--so I've always had a soft spot for him.

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    In these days of technical specialists, many are former skaters:
    David Santee is a Replay operator and Data Operator &techspecialist
    Pairs
    Todd Sand
    Dance
    Sergei Ponomarenko (dance USR in the day :respect:
    Marika Humphreys (danced for GBR)
    Judy Blumberg (USA)
    April Sargent (USA)
    Sylwia Nowak (skated for Poland)
    Singles
    Vanessa Gusmeroli (skated for France)
    Anett Poetsch (Ladies Olympic Gold for E. Germany)
    Jan Hoffnan OGM

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