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    Re: Mclaughlin/Brubaker Split

    Maybe he could give Angela Maxwell a shot. She's tiny (unless she grew when I wasn't looking, lol) and seems to have that firecracker personality a pairs girl needs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spun Silver View Post
    Maybe he could give Angela Maxwell a shot. She's tiny (unless she grew when I wasn't looking, lol) and seems to have that firecracker personality a pairs girl needs.
    Hasn't she left the sport herself? I know she was having injury problems and coaching problems. Then it surfaced that she was done skating. A switch to pairs would seem very unlikely at this point.


    One more thing about Keauna... Had M&B made the Olympic team that Nationals night, would this even be happening? I really tend to think no. She doesn't seem like the type who would become disinterested in skating and suddenly distraught about everything. I worry about Nationals being so stressful for the skaters that they feel compelled to quit after one night. I wish they would truly consider expanding the criteria for picking the Olympic team (and I don't mean simply listing additional competitions to fulfill a USOC requirement) so that everything is not riding on that ONE performance. Take some of the stress off the athletes. The US has to be one of the only countries that places so much emphasis on Nationals to the point where top athletes will actually quit the sport the minute they do poorly (Weir last year is another example). I just find it very odd that Nationals is THAT stressful. A guy like Weir coming off of Grand Prix success and a young pair skater who had been part of the top US pair team for a few years should not have felt the need to walk away from the sport after one rough Nationals performance. Thankfully, Weir did not quit for long, and for Keauna's sake, I hope she will eventually return and end on a much better note. But I think this country has a bit of problem helping it's skaters to get through disappointing outings. If you look at other countries' top pairs, you would never see a disastrous day leading to a split.
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    Re: Mclaughlin/Brubaker Split

    Are you sure about Angela Maxwell? That's sad news, if true. She is something special.

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    It reminds me of Kimmie when the puberty kicked in and she lost her jumps as well as her confidence. Keauna was so young when she paired up with Rockne, did not make it for GP due to the age limit. They're on fire at the Jr.Worlds, "future of US pairs", I recalled. It's so sad to see they ended up this way. I hope Rockne find a new partner. Wish both of them luck and happiness. I also hope Denney/Jeremy continue to do well since she is also pretty young, hope the puberty monster won't touch her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gold12345 View Post
    I worry about Nationals being so stressful for the skaters that they feel compelled to quit after one night. I wish they would truly consider expanding the criteria for picking the Olympic team (and I don't mean simply listing additional competitions to fulfill a USOC requirement) so that everything is not riding on that ONE performance.
    Technically, that is what happened at these Olympics. The problem is that the team in all 4 disciplines exactly matched National results, so we don’t know if anything else was considered.

    I think that a more inclusive system could work, but only if was an exact formula that took into account scores and placements from ISU events. It should not be left up to the USFSA to interpret results as they see fit.

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    I am disappointed since I didn't think they reached their potential.

    I do think there was too much pressure on this young team. Winning everything as Juniors, a lot of people expected the same at Seniors immediately and I don't think that's realistic.

    Didn't she also grow a lot just before moving to Seniors.

    Anyway, I believe that the pressure of expectations and dealing with her body changes were a large contributing factor in her decision. Perhaps she really does just need a break.

    I wonder if they thought about not competing this season and just concentrating on learning to skate better together. I think it would've benefited their team to do so.

    It's possible that she might change her mind by next year... and if he doesn't find a suitable partner, maybe they could re-team.


    Unless he finds a partner immediately or unless he finds a partner who is a really strong singles skater with some pairs skills, I'd be surprised if he was able to compete this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PolymerBob View Post
    I think that a more inclusive system could work, but only if was an exact formula that took into account scores and placements from ISU events. It should not be left up to the USFSA to interpret results as they see fit.
    um, why shouldn't it be up to the team to choose who's on the team? that's how it's done. would you rather the ISU pick who goes and who stays?

    this is what's wrong with how we teach sports in this country now. nobody loses everyone wins. Then we realize that's not how it's done in olympic sport and suddenly every time a player/athlete loses and then gets discouraged we blame the sport. Someone had to lose, someone had to stay home. Keauna would not have had an easier time at teh Olympics. They were expected to make the team, yes, they had sponsors riding on that hope, so I understand she let people down, but there are a lot of other skaters who also didn't make the team that had sponsorships and they're continuing on. It's not the sport that's cruel as it is the individual on themselves. No matter what sort of criteria they use, she'd still be discouraged if she didn't make the team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spun Silver View Post
    Maybe he could give Angela Maxwell a shot. She's tiny (unless she grew when I wasn't looking, lol) and seems to have that firecracker personality a pairs girl needs.
    I like this idea, too!
    Quote Originally Posted by gold12345 View Post
    Hasn't she left the sport herself? I know she was having injury problems and coaching problems. Then it surfaced that she was done skating. A switch to pairs would seem very unlikely at this point.
    There hasn't been any type of "official" announcement, but I noticed that Maxwell's name was recently removed from the Team C funding envelope on the USFS site, which indicates that she won't be competing in singles this season at least. I do wonder if she would consider trying pairs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonichelle View Post
    um, why shouldn't it be up to the team to choose who's on the team? that's how it's done. would you rather the ISU pick who goes and who stays?
    A couple of things. First, I did not write "must be", nor "should be"; I wrote "could work". There is a subtile difference. Secondly, the ISU cannot pick our international teams, but their result can be used. If ( and only if ) ISU results are used, USFSA officials should state ahead of time what formula is used. If they want to add the base 10 logarithm of the Grand Prix Final score to the hyperbolic tangent of the placement; then add that to the Nationals score, that's fine. But the formula should be stated ahead of time. That way there's no argument.

    And if they want to keep things the way they are, then that's fine too.

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    Re: Mclaughlin/Brubaker Split

    Request to PolymerBob or a moderator: Could a new thread be started on the topic of U.S. international team selection so we can keep focused, more or less, on the McLaughlin/Brubaker split? Thanks in advance!

    ETA: I went ahead and started a thread myself -- link is: http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/sho...611#post507611
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    Quote Originally Posted by heyang View Post
    I am disappointed since I didn't think they reached their potential.

    I do think there was too much pressure on this young team. Winning everything as Juniors, a lot of people expected the same at Seniors immediately and I don't think that's realistic.

    I wonder if they thought about not competing this season and just concentrating on learning to skate better together. I think it would've benefited their team to do so.

    It's possible that she might change her mind by next year... and if he doesn't find a suitable partner, maybe they could re-team.
    Yup. That thought crossed my mind as well. If she's really just a bit burned out from the competition and pressure, maybe a year to relax and focus on skating well in training may have helped. Then, when they were ready to re-enter competition, they could have flown under the radar, which they had never gotten to do before. I know going to the competitions is probably half the fun of it, but I do wonder if taking a step back and just training for fun without eyes being on her could have really helped her outlook on things. It's just disappointing to see it end as it did.

    As for re-teaming, we've seen it before with Denney and Barrett. This isn't the same type of scenario, but there are similarities. It's of course uncertain if Rockne can find a truly suitable partner and get to (or surpass) the level he is at now. And it's also uncertain that Keauna will want to stay out of the sport for very long. If they are willing to skate again with each other in the future, it is possible.



    Quote Originally Posted by Tonichelle View Post
    this is what's wrong with how we teach sports in this country now. nobody loses everyone wins. Then we realize that's not how it's done in olympic sport and suddenly every time a player/athlete loses and then gets discouraged we blame the sport. Someone had to lose, someone had to stay home. Keauna would not have had an easier time at teh Olympics. They were expected to make the team, yes, they had sponsors riding on that hope, so I understand she let people down, but there are a lot of other skaters who also didn't make the team that had sponsorships and they're continuing on. It's not the sport that's cruel as it is the individual on themselves. No matter what sort of criteria they use, she'd still be discouraged if she didn't make the team.
    I definitely agree that she would still have been discouraged if she didn't make the team. But if you know you didn't make the team because you didn't do well at Nationals AND your recent international results weren't good enough, it would be easier to take than knowing you didn't make the team because you just had that ONE chance at Nationals and blew that ONE chance.

    I just think a skater's overall mental state would improve if they are not stressed to death over Nationals (especially if you are heading in as one of the "favorites"). There is so much emphasis on Nationals that it has almost become as important as the Olympics. If you mess up at the Olympics, oh well, you place lower. But if you mess up at Nationals, there are major consequences and your season will end prematurely. And for the top skaters who anticipate making an Olympic + World team and therefore do NOT want to peak at Nationals, I imagine the thought of Nationals deciding EVERYTHING adds a lot of extra stress to a skater's season
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    it just seems odd to me that there is so much more uproar over poor little Keauna being discouraged, but four years ago when Katie Orscher gave up after not making the team a lot of people chalked it up to sour grapes. Its not like this "dream team" was hitting it out of the park earlier in the season or last year.

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    ^ Funny how the tables turn among skaters, huh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonichelle View Post
    it just seems odd to me that there is so much more uproar over poor little Keauna being discouraged, but four years ago when Katie Orscher gave up after not making the team a lot of people chalked it up to sour grapes. Its not like this "dream team" was hitting it out of the park earlier in the season or last year.
    For me, the difference is Keanua being so young - she turns 18 this year. People are disappointed that she hasn't reached her max potential. She and Rockne had a lot more pressure than most other young pairs teams. This year was especially bad - there was definitely something not working for them and we'll never know if it could've been 'fixed.'

    Katie was 22 when she retired from skating. Having broken her foot and just missing the Olympic team (by .66 points), she may have realized that relying on skating was not the future she wanted. Kayte had reached her potential IMO. I don't think her decision to retire from skating was sour grapes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonichelle View Post
    it just seems odd to me that there is so much more uproar over poor little Keauna being discouraged, but four years ago when Katie Orscher gave up after not making the team a lot of people chalked it up to sour grapes. Its not like this "dream team" was hitting it out of the park earlier in the season or last year.
    I don't see the Orscher comparisons. She was 22, and Lucash was in his late 20s when they called it quits and most likely had maxed out on their potential. To me, they were just the typical American pair that couldn't make any splash internationally. They didn't even have a Grand Prix medal to their name. Why would anyone call her retirement sour grapes?

    Keauna and Rockne were (sounds weird to say "were") the best US pairs team I've seen in years. They both have the intangibles you cannot teach, and they had time to work on the rest because they were young and relatively new to the scene. They really only experienced one complete Senior season, which is especially sad given their talent level. Their instant success produced a little too much pressure to do well at every event and win Nationals every year. Usually there is no type of pressure like that on a pair that's only 17 and 23. This new season should have been the year where they could relax more now that they are "back down to earth".

    The "uproar" that you speak of is just disappointment in seeing this partnership end so quickly without knowing where they could have gone. You don't really see 17 year old pair skaters at this top level leaving the sport and being burned out, especially not a skater who has consistently mentioned wanting to compete into the next quad. Even as recently as this past season, Keauna has mentioned how she would only be 21 in 2014. It didn't sound at all like a girl who would ever hang it up at 17. Maybe she will return after a break, who knows.
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