yeah he's definitely just as biased as other commentators... he just seems to pick the 'right ones' to get away with it lolOriginally Posted by dorispulaski
to each their own. I could never get into Button's all time favorite's skating...
yeah he's definitely just as biased as other commentators... he just seems to pick the 'right ones' to get away with it lol
to each their own. I could never get into Button's all time favorite's skating...
? That would be Scott Hamilton?
ha ha? That would be Scott Hamilton
okay, watched the vids back to back... and I can see that Scott was the more polished looking, but is it wrong that I liked David's program more? LOL Just so glad I am not a judge, it's kinda like Evan and Johnny's 2008 LPs... splitting hairs to come up with a winner. yikes. (also don't like that Scott fell and Button just shluffs it off... but no one can call an outcome like Dick lol he just *knows*... hmmm)
Well, at the time, there was no deduction for a fall, just no credit for an element if you were doing an element. Scott tripped & fell while doing some straight skating. Scott also doubled this 3F on purpose. But David flubbed his triple flip.
However, I hope you will check out some of the cool stuff Bobrin does after the 3 minute mark in his program- love the walleys, followed by reverse walleys into a 2A. Not to mention the hydroblade and the Bobrin side flip.
I know it wasn't something he got deducted for, but considering later in Dick's career he reams a skater up one side and down the other for a fall on something 'so simple' due to lack of concentration, I just find it interesting (and annoying).
ETA - and I really liked Bobrin's program. of the three it was actually what I'd consider 'artistic' though kinda like Johnny Weir/Matt Savoie he doesn't really engage teh audience, we're just allowed to watch.. why isn't Bobrin talked about more? Was he an inconsistant skater? Was it because of how he presented his skating? I would think he would have been popular 'in his day'?
Last edited by Tonichelle; 07-08-2010 at 10:53 AM.
As I recall, Bobrin was one of those innovative skaters, more interested in the art of it, whose technique was strong enough to get him into the finals but never strong enough to win. In that way he was in the line of Gary Beacom and West Germany's Norbert Schramm. (The last name is off the top of my head; please correct me if I've goofed it up.) Bobrin married Bestemianova, the 1988 OGM in ice dance with her partner Bukhin, who tended to do in ice dancing what Bobrin did in singles skating when it came to pushing the envelope--odd positions, sometimes even verging toward the grotesque, unusual music, provocative but never dull. (The difference was that B and B had really commanding compulsory dance skills, so they were able to reach the top of their discipline.) I think that when B and B turned pro, Bobrin choreographed a lot of their programs. I'm glad someone brought him up again, because he's definitely someone whose contributions to skating broadened what it means to skate well.
I just read in Wiki that Bobrin was the Soviet national champion a few times. Interestingly, he was coached by Moskvin, the husband of Tamara Moskvina. I wouldn't swear to it, but he may have been the choreographer of a magnificent pro program B and B once did, in which Bukhin portrayed Rasputin and Bestemianova played the young, ill prince. It was just mesmerizing.
Last edited by Olympia; 07-08-2010 at 11:16 AM.
Bobrin was 27 in 1981-so the larger part of his career was before skating was really seen that much on US TV. We saw Olympics, in 1976 and 1980, and US Nationals on ABC.. Maybe a clip here and there of Worlds. Nothing of Europeans at all AFAIR.
Here is Bobrin's 1981 Europeans LP, complete:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X94k7jshVKs
He also did some choreography for European singles skaters in the 1990s, notably Michael Tyllesen and Krisztina Czako (including the celebrated Addams Family program). I'd like to see more of his work.
Peggy Fleming?? That would be Scott Hamilton
Ewwww. Let's never use this comparison ever again when talking about "close competitions". A trite performance with poorly landed jumps all the way through vs. an emotional performance with far fewer mistakes = needing to split hairs to come up with a winner?
As for Hamilton vs. Santee, that was indeed close. I loved Santee's footwork sequence with the brackets in both directions, it was so good with the music. Overall I do prefer the artistry of his program a little, although his mistake was a more significant one since it came on the most difficult technical element of the program. Hamilton had the better SP so, having to pick between the two skaters, I would say Hamilton did deserve to win the Championship.
I really thought Surya Bonaly from France was not appreciated. Did anyone see the 1993 Worlds?
Interestingly enough, Scott was first in the SP and LP, 4th in figures.
Bobrin was 5th in figures, 2nd in SP and LP
Santee was 2nd in figures, 3rd in SP and LP, .
J.-C. Simond of FRA was 1st in figures
Men
Rank Name Nation CP SP FS SP+FS Points Total
1 Scott Hamilton United States 4 1 1 1 3.8
2 David Santee United States 2 3 3 3 5.4
3 Igor Bobrin Soviet Union 5 4 2 2 6.6
4 Fumio Igarashi Japan 6 2 4 4 8.4
5 Jean-Christophe Simond France 1 5 6 6 8.6
6 Brian Orser Canada 9 6 5 5 12.8
Bobrin over Santee is a joke. The program wasn't as good, the jumps weren't as good, and he even had a bit of a stumble at one point when doing crossovers.
Bobrins jumps weren't as good as Santees or they weren't has hard as Santees?
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