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    Quote Originally Posted by silverlake22 View Post
    Lol yes, but my guess is that both girls will have scores off the charts.
    OK, that might make sense - call it the Canadian factor - just kidding

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nadine View Post
    I appreciate the effort, but anything, and I mean anything, underrotated by a 1/2 or more should never be given credit, not even partial.
    They don't. If you underrotate by a full half turn it's completely downgraded to the next lower jump.

    Miki doesn't underrotate her Quad by a full half turn, though. Maybe she has sometimes in exhibitions or whatever when she's just randomly trying it, but her competition attempts haven't been. The one she did at the 2008 GPF would definitely be scored as <4Sal, not a <<4Sal, and would receive 7.4 points.

    Quote Originally Posted by herro View Post
    I agree with the toll that Mao's other jumps have taken because of her undivided focus on the 3A. However, I would not say that doing 3As is getting harder or that it had more spring in the past. Honestly, the 3As I saw her do at the Olympics and some of the competitions before then have been much improved and had the greatest height and hang time that I've seen from her.
    Nah, look at this 3A from 2008 Four Continents.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWdY5uHROoI

    Covers a decent amount of distance and isn't underrotated at all. Her Triple Axels haven't been like that the past year. She isn't getting as much spring and instead has to make herself rotate faster to complete the jump, always still coming down a bit short of being perfectly rotated.

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    Thanks for the update, Blades of Passion, as regards the rule concerning underrotations by 1/2 (good to know!).

    And thank you most sincerely for your Miki Ando comments. I was curious, so I looked up the aforementioned competition wherein you mention she completed the 4S. My most humblest apologies to Miss Ando, yes, most definitely she should have gotten credit for that 4S! And I am wrong, she definitely has completed a 4S!!!!! *clapping* I admit I didn't follow skating religiously there for quite a while (disallusioned), especially the GP and the years following the 2006 Olympics(maybe even the Worlds wherein Miki won), so I honestly must have missed this. *embarrassed* So my only memories of Miki were when she first started out in seniors, the few times she tried the 4S where it was hugely underrotated or else she fell and hurt her shoulder, and then the disastrous 2006 Olympics. But I did catch her the year before the 2010 Olympics (all due to Evgeni Plushenko btw; he's the one that brought me back, nobody but him!). And I watched her during last season's GP and at the Olympics, as I did the other Japanese women, but honestly the only ones that really captured my attention were Mao (of course) and Yukari Nakano. That's it. However, I did recently catch a glimpse of Miki the other day regarding some "masterpiece" program (or exhibition) she did, so I watched it and was duly impressed. Yes, it looks like she can definitely give Mao a run for her money, as well as the other women in the world, and capture another World Gold. Hopefully she (along with Mao) will bring my joy back to women's figure skating, which has been missing for a while, with occasional spurts of joy here & there (e.g. 2008 US Nationals). And the same holds true for men's, I only came back for Zhenya, but actually found myself enjoying all the men moreso than the women for the first time in my life. But ice dance & pairs has completely died for me (still haven't watched any of the Olympic coverage of these two events; though I am glad the S&Z won gold).

    Back to Miki, I honestly wish both her & Mao well, and don't mind which one wins Worlds (if either), as long as they do their best. Btw, I'm still waiting for Mao to have a Michelle Kwan Salome-type transformation; I love her lyrical programs, but just wish she would completely stun us all with an MK style bravado program one day. Hopefully the future program "fit for the gods" includes such a transformation.


    GOOOOOOOOOOO MIKI & MAO!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nadine View Post
    But ice dance & pairs has completely died for me (still haven't watched any of the Olympic coverage of these two events; though I am glad the S&Z won gold).
    If you didn't see this program last season I think you missed alot.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lE4TbwxMsCA

    And ther Original Dance was great as well.
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    Totally forgot the 3rd girl from Japan. She could challenge for the bronze. Just look at this program. Her musicality, expressions, transitions, performance, choreography, interpretation, even skating skills are all there.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzj0w...eature=related

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlattFan View Post
    Totally forgot the 3rd girl from Japan. She could challenge for the bronze. Just look at this program. Her musicality, expressions, transitions, performance, choreography, interpretation, even skating skills are all there.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzj0w...eature=related
    Japan only has 3 spots at Worlds, and 6 ladies vying for those spots - Mao, Miki, Akiko, Kanako, Fumie, Haruka. Akiko might not even make the World team where she has a tendency to be inconsistent, Kanako might go instead of her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlattFan View Post
    Totally forgot the 3rd girl from Japan. She could challenge for the bronze. Just look at this program. Her musicality, expressions, transitions, performance, choreography, interpretation, even skating skills are all there.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzj0w...eature=related
    Watch last season's GPF - in the LP Akiko skated circles around the others (yes that would include Miki and Yuna). At Japanese Natls, where the judging seemed less political Akiko placed ahead of Miki.

    Akiko needs to skate her best - but when she does I much prefer her to Miki. Akiko moves better to the music than just about any of today's Ladies. Stylisitically she is miles ahead of Miki. But there are other factors which is where Miki excels. But artistry, musicality - nah, like watching a boy in a skirt. Granted, a very pretty boy, but Miki reminds me of Irina in that sense. Something is missing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silverlake22 View Post
    Japan only has 3 spots at Worlds, and 6 ladies vying for those spots - Mao, Miki, Akiko, Kanako, Fumie, Haruka. Akiko might not even make the World team where she has a tendency to be inconsistent, Kanako might go instead of her.
    Realistically speaking, I think that Fumie is no longer a contender for a spot on the Japanese team, and Haruka isn't quite there yet.

    I'm pretty sure that it'll be Mao-Miki-Kanako and Mao-Miki-Akiko for World's and 4CC, or vice versa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by janetfan View Post
    Watch last season's GPF - in the LP Akiko skated circles around the others (yes that would include Miki and Yuna). At Japanese Natls, where the judging seemed less political Akiko placed ahead of Miki.

    Akiko needs to skate her best - but when she does I much prefer her to Miki. Akiko moves better to the music than just about any of today's Ladies. Stylisitically she is miles ahead of Miki. But there are other factors which is where Miki excels. But artistry, musicality - nah, like watching a boy in a skirt. Granted, a very pretty boy, but Miki reminds me of Irina in that sense. Something is missing.
    Well, to be fair Miki has improved so much in that respect ... I used to not like watching her very much but now I sort of enjoy her. I mean, I do think she has worked so hard on her expressiveness and her choreo. Even her lines. Lines are difficult for her but she has tried very hard to improve. I hated her costumes this year, though. Is she competing this year or not?

    I have to say, though, that I sometimes Youtube Irina's performances. I know she wasn't the most artistically polished but I really did like her energy, and she had charisma. Next to the soulful Michelle and the perfectly poslished positions of Sasha, Irina didn't look very artisitic. But Irina definitely had ice presence. She commanded attention in her own way. Only when she was perfect, though. She wasn't like Sasha, where Sasha could splat once and the rest of the performance would be nearly be perfect. With Irina, it was like she was either awesome or kinda sloppy. So, I youtube her perfect performances every once in a while. I miss Irina, and Sasha and Michelle. They were great competitors for each other. It was so fun because they had their distinctive styles.

    Now that I think about it, I never youtube Miki's performances...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Layfan View Post
    Well, to be fair Miki has improved so much in that respect ... I used to not like watching her very much but now I sort of enjoy her. I mean, I do think she has worked so hard on her expressiveness and her choreo. Even her lines. Lines are difficult for her but she has tried very hard to improve. I hated her costumes this year, though. Is she competing this year or not?

    I have to say, though, that I sometimes Youtube Irina's performances. I know she wasn't the most artistically polished but I really did like her energy, and she had charisma. Next to the soulful Michelle and the perfectly poslished positions of Sasha, Irina didn't look very artisitic. But Irina definitely had ice presence. She commanded attention in her own way. Only when she was perfect, though. She wasn't like Sasha, where Sasha could splat once and the rest of the performance would be nearly be perfect. With Irina, it was like she was either awesome or kinda sloppy. So, I youtube her perfect performances every once in a while. I miss Irina, and Sasha and Michelle. They were great competitors for each other. It was so fun because they had their distinctive styles.

    Now that I think about it, I never youtube Miki's performances...
    I actually like Miki alot. I just can't describe her very well. Some talk about "it factor." I think Miki has lot's of it.
    When Miki is on she can hit some really great looking jumps.

    I dunno, I don't think she was packaged right last season. I felt the same way about Mao.

    I would like to see Miki in more straight ahead type of programs that would emphasize her athleticism.

    I would be surprised if she won Worlds this season but would not mind it. She is a World Champion already and supposedly a really nice young lady.

    A while a go I saw a little gala program that David Wilson did for Miki. Utterly charming and I was really drawn into her performance. More of that and less Cleopatra.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nadine View Post
    My most humblest apologies to Miss Ando, yes, most definitely she should have gotten credit for that 4S! And I am wrong, she definitely has completed a 4S!!!!! *clapping*
    Well, an underrotated one anyway. Still, an underrotated Quad isn't shabby at all for a female skater. I am excited to see what she does this season. I think Miki has mostly been a boring skater up until this point in time, and I actually don't see that changing as long as she stays with Morozov, but at least with the new rules she can attack her jumps again instead of doing lackluster 3Sal/2Axel sequences.

    I wish Miki would skate to music that is vulnerable and sensitive for her LP. She would be so good with the correct guidance. Her face portrays those emotion quite well. Unfortunately Nikolai Morozov seems to only be interested in making her appear diva-like on the ice. Look at the potential she showed here:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfFIJAEr-Jc

    I don't think Miki has ever had a good LP, in fact. Only her Short Programs from 2006 and 2007 have had memorable presentation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    I don't know if Ashley has a bandwagon yet, but I think I will root for her for the same reason that I rooted for Rachael to win U.S. Nationals last year. Rachael skated great at U.S. Nationals in both 2008 and 2009 and maybe deserved to win both, so I was glad to see her grab the brass ring on her third try.

    Ashley skated great all last year, and I wish she could have made the Olympic team (not at the expense of Rachael and Mirai, though.) So I hope she has a stellar year in 2011.

    As for Mirai, she is the U.S. skater that has the "it" factor along with the technique. She is sure to be the skater most in the public eye heading into the Grand Prix season. She is both the "future" and the "now" of U.S. ladies.

    IMHO, if Yu-na Kim retires, only Mao Asada is at a different level from the U.S. ladies, and I don't see any reason why our girls can't contend for podium spots internationally.
    I agree with you re the American girls and their podium chances. At their best, they can easily compete with everyone out there except for Yuna and Mao. I would only add that I believe a perfect and healthy Mirai is capable of competing against Mao where I don't think Rachael, Ashley or any of the others are - even if they do bring on the triple-triples. I'm not saying Mao isn't the runaway favorite in a one-on-one with Mirai. Of course, she is. I'm just saying that if any American girl can compete for gold, it's Mirai. A solid 3-3, would help of course... It's such a bummer to learn of her injury. But to keep things in perspective, even if this doesn't turn out to be Mirai's year to soar to the top, she STILL has time. I just hope she sticks with Frank Carrol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blades of Passion View Post
    Well, an underrotated one anyway. Still, an underrotated Quad isn't shabby at all for a female skater. I am excited to see what she does this season. I think Miki has mostly been a boring skater up until this point in time, and I actually don't see that changing as long as she stays with Morozov, but at least with the new rules she can attack her jumps again instead of doing lackluster 3Sal/2Axel sequences.

    I wish Miki would skate to music that is vulnerable and sensitive for her LP. She would be so good with the correct guidance. Her face portrays those emotion quite well. Unfortunately Nikolai Morozov seems to only be interested in making her appear diva-like on the ice. Look at the potential she showed here:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfFIJAEr-Jc

    I don't think Miki has ever had a good LP, in fact. Only her Short Programs from 2006 and 2007 have had memorable presentation.
    Oh wow, you are so right. That opening spin was lovely. And Miki's lines and her maturity as a skater have only improved since. I agree she was completely over-packaged this season and her choreo and god-awful costumes were just too much. They drowned her out. She should go with a simpler style on both fronts.

    Thanks for posting that. I had no recollection of that performance. All I remembered about her at that Olympics was that she bombed the LP. I don't remember anything about her choreo or what she was wearing but I remember her struggling and sort of looking like she wanted it to end

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blades of Passion View Post
    I wish Miki would skate to music that is vulnerable and sensitive for her LP. She would be so good with the correct guidance. Her face portrays those emotion quite well. Unfortunately Nikolai Morozov seems to only be interested in making her appear diva-like on the ice. Look at the potential she showed here:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfFIJAEr-Jc

    I don't think Miki has ever had a good LP, in fact. Only her Short Programs from 2006 and 2007 have had memorable presentation.
    I like that program and like that Miki. She seemed to be skating with a little more freedom and when I see her like that she pulls me in and makes me root for her.

    Other programs though i wish she would change her costume, ease up on the make-up and lose some of what comes off as a manufactured atitude.

    Miki as the Diva?

    I prefer her as the adorable and more normal - or as you said more vulnerable - girl you like more than the others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by janetfan View Post
    I like that program and like that Miki. She seemed to be skating with a little more freedom and when I see her like that she pulls me in and makes me root for her.

    Other programs though i wish she would change her costume, ease up on the make-up and lose some of what comes off as a manufactured atitude.

    Miki as the Diva?

    I prefer her as the adorable and more normal - or as you said more vulnerable - girl you like more than the others.
    Yeah, bring out her personality, which at least least publicly seems humble and sweet with a good deal of strength underneath. (Not exactly how anyone would describe Cleopatra)

    David Wilson is the best out there for that kind of thing, IMO.

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