10-24-2010, 03:53 PM
I'm really happy that she's calm about it. She even popped all her triples in the exhibition. I think physically she can definitely regain her triples, and make them even better than before. I'm more worried about her mental fortitude in dealing with the destabilization influence of this overhaul of her jumping technique, the deterioration in her competition results, and the consequent public disappoint/pressure in Japan, which must be immense.
I hope she will stay mentally strong and get through this season or however long it takes to retool her jumps (hopefully not much longer, at least results-wise). So far, it seems the Japanese fans are still firmly behind her. I hope they will be understanding and not turn on her and give her even more pressure.
10-25-2010, 02:05 PM
I just wanted to say Mao hasn't disappointed me whatsoever, falls & all, as I totally expected this because she's working on her technique, and that can take one season at the very least, but most likely two or even three. So as I stated at the beginning of the season I don't expect much from her this season, especially at the beginning, but by the time 4CC & Worlds comes round I think she'll make a decent showing, much better than at the beginning. A top 5 or 10 placement would be more than acceptable.
I'm just glad that she IS working on her technique issues, that says a lot about her character. If she wanted to she could've won everything in sight this year without Yuna on the GP. But what victory is in that, she already has a bunch of titles, wins, an Olympic Silver Medal, et al. Rather, this is the perfect time to work on her issues, forego medalling this season in order to be a better skater in the long run. Otherwise she could be blind-sided again come Sochi in 2014. Better to be prepared for any eventuality. Now's the time to become the perfect skater in every sense of the word, including technique.
10-25-2010, 02:13 PM
I really agree with you on that. Mao already won GPF before and her main goal is probably gold in Sochi, so why not take the four years until Sochi to rework her technique. Mao is a great skater and hopefully everything will work out for her.
Originally Posted by Nadine
10-25-2010, 02:53 PM
I hope Mao is able to work through her problems. The crowd in Nagoya looked so stunned after Mao's freeskate. Mao was close to tears.
10-25-2010, 03:12 PM
Is it true that our WC is working on to rebuild her jumping technique from scratches?
I was finally able to enjoy Mao's performances after finishing my midterm yesterday. I watched the footage in Youtube, and was shocked to see so many errors in the overall ladies competition. Mao was my particular disappointment, though, since I held so much expectation in her.
However, if the rumor that she is rebuilding her jumping technique is correct, there is no surprise in her disastrous performances.
What I do not understand is why would Mao do such a thing? I thought she already had most of the triple jumps under her belts as a teenager
Hopefully I am wrong, and Mao is working on something valuable; tearing down her skills for naught will be a great loss to this sport.
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10-25-2010, 03:18 PM
She has some technique issues. It was okay when she was younger but it's harder to maintain her jumps with her old technique, so she made the difficult deciison to reform them and make them better.
Originally Posted by samsarah
10-25-2010, 03:23 PM
I think the main problem was with her Lutz jump. Mao learned this jump under the old scoring system, which did not penalize take-offs from the wrong edge very much. When the new scoring system came in, all of a sudden she was losing points on edge calls.
Originally Posted by samsarah
Then trying too hard to hold the proper edge interfered with her timing, until she could hardly do the jump at all. So I think this re-working of the Lutz technique is necessary, however painful, in order to move forward.
10-25-2010, 04:01 PM
Four years is a long time in any sport. As much as I like Mao her 3A has nothing to do with why I love watching her skate.
It seems clear that she has major problems keeping her 3A's and the other triple jumps competition ready.
Popping the 3A's and missing the other jumps is not exactly new and Mao has never in her career been able to show a proper lutz with a clean flip topped of by three 3A's. I wish her good luck trying to get it together but doubt that this gets easier as she gets older.
I suspect there will be new girls from juniors who will be the big medal contenders in Sochi. I hope Mao is still around and not only because I love her skating but also because I won't ever count her out.
Just wondering after all these years what will change that will let Mao keep the 3A's
along with having acceptable versions of the other triples and/or a 3x3.
I don't know the answer and have faith that she is in good hands now with Mr Sato. But he is a coach and not a miracle worker - and it looks like this may take some time or just continue the way it has been for years now.
10-25-2010, 04:19 PM
I think with good technique, she can keep her 3A's until Sochi. Didn't Midori still have her 3A's well into her 20s? I remember she continued to land them in pro competitions. (the few times Kristi actually felt threatened during her pro career).
10-25-2010, 04:46 PM
I have never thought of Mao's 3A the way i think of Midori's.......which exploded of the ice and were about alot more than just spinning super fast in the air.
Originally Posted by miki88
For that matter Tonya's 3A - even though we never saw so many of them - was a monster compared to Mao.
I think in this era it is about coaching strategy. Yuna had a heck of a good team working for her - and Mao had her mom and a part time assistant coach.
Of course Mr Sato needs time - but I wonder if the Asada's will let him take charge. He did not look happy at NHK - and if we think back Tat did not look happy at Rostel either and I think she began to professionaly distance herself from Mao and the JSF after that for various reasons. Remember Tat did not want to do the back to back to back competitions last season but was overruled.
Of course I have no idea how this is working out - but I think if I was Mao's coach we would only be doing one 3A in the LP this season until she proved she could handle the other jumps a little more respectably.
10-25-2010, 04:53 PM
Um that Sato's usual expression. He has a -_- face. I really don't get this notion that Mao doesn't let her coaches take charge. It's simply ridiculous. I don't want to go over what didn't work in the TAT situation but it's definitely not that. On the other hand, I felt she let TAT take too much charge from the costumes to the choreography. Maybe a little less of TAT would have done her well. This relationship will work better than TAT because at least they are in the same country. Phew!
Originally Posted by janetfan
10-25-2010, 05:09 PM
Excuse me if I am not as familar with Mr Sato's expressions as you are. Maybe I am to used to seeing Yuka - who looks like sunshine itself at times.
Originally Posted by miki88
We will have to see but Mao has been running her own training for years now. It will not be an easy adjustment and I suspect Mr Sato is not as easily pleased as some of the people who have looked over Mao's training the past few years.
When a skater decides to go without a top coach running their daily training for several years there are reasons for it. There is a reason Mao made a change as well. She needs some help if she wants to fix some problems.
Last edited by janetfan; 10-25-2010 at 05:19 PM.
10-25-2010, 05:42 PM
Beliver in Sasha's Perfect Program
It seemed to me that the crowd still supported her through the tough program. And Mao was not beating herself up over her mistakes like she used to. I think she was not expecting to skate well, she is smart and understands that rebuilding technique is a long process. She does not seem to be surprised or panicked.
Originally Posted by PolymerBob
10-25-2010, 05:43 PM
I think they should fix the lutz and leave the rest of the jumps alone. She looks like she has no confidence at all now. If you dont believe in yourself it just wont happen, no matter how good a technician is working with you.
10-25-2010, 05:51 PM
Here is the subtitled interview for those who do not understand Japanese.