ah forget it.
ah forget it.
Last edited by R.D.; 08-05-2010 at 08:27 PM.
Olys is not just another comp, but luck does play a small part. If the olys committee had not change the summer/ winter cycles e.g. having winter olys in 1992, and 1994, then 1996 should have been the yr for winter olys and is there any debate about who is the best skater in 1996?Michelle is/was a tremendous skater with no real weaknesses and many strengths. I'm glad for her that she's looking forward to wonderful new horizons. However, I still don't think of the Olympics as "just like any other competition"; and the majority who medal/win are not merely lucky.
Last edited by rtureck; 08-05-2010 at 10:41 PM.
If I could be a skater, I'd rather skate like Michelle than like either of the two ladies (impressive though they are) who beat her for the gold in 1998 and 2002. (No surprise there.) Someone on YouTube said that when Michelle skates, she holds your soul in her hands. You may not all agree with that (tastes differ), but a large number of people do react to her skating that way, including me. She seems to distill the emotion in the music in a way that few other singles skaters do.
By the way, I found a recording of the complete (four sections) Lyra Angelica on YouTube. What an enlightening experience for a skating fan. In its original state the piece is lovely, ethereal, but irather diffuse. Lori Nichol's edit of it (with a bit of Erik Satie thrown in somewhere in the middle) does an awesome job of shaping it to form a narrative. As Michelle was the ideal interpreter of Nichol's programs, Nichol was the perfect choreographer for such an artistic skater.
Ironically, for years I couldn't watch that program, because of the results in the '98 Olympics. But then I got the brilliant idea of watching the Nationals version, which is the best one anyway. Now it's one of my favorite of Michelle's programs. It's so subtle, complex, and rich.
I feel that Lipinski went into the Olympics with ideas for what her "artistry" would be and when she started nailing all her hard jumps it created something new and totally spontaneous which beat the planned artistry of what Kwan had. Now in US nationals 98 Kwan was so good she made her planned artistry seemed totally new and spontaneous and amazing but at the Olympics it kind of sat there but with Lipinski the raw happiness won the day in Presentation scores.
I was thinking about this conversation last night, and it occurred to me that one reason Michelle is such a standout in skating history is how much she's poured into competitions after she's been thrown off the horse at the Olympics. A lot of skaters can't get themselves motivated after such a disappointment. But Michelle won a World Championships within a year of each Olympics. That's pretty tenacious. In some ways, I stopped agonizing about the outcome of the 1998 Olympics when I realized that she might have stopped skating in 1998 if she'd had that Olympic gold. Can you imagine going without Red Violin, Song of the Black Swan, Aranjuez, and the other immortal post-1998 programs?
So Mathman, maybe that alternate universe isn't such a great place to be a Michelle fan. Maybe we're better off in this flawed timeline.
Last edited by jenaj; 08-06-2010 at 11:32 PM.
I would rather Yamaguchi's career with the Olympic Gold, World titles, and long and illustrious pro career than either Kwan or Hughes.
I would rather Yu Na Kim's career being a trailblazer for her country and winning Olympic and World gold than either Kwan or Hughes as well. And if she were to win in 2014 I would rather Asada's as well.
^ I hope you get your druthers.
Geez, this talk of parallel universes might lead one to think Michelle is not doing very well.
Based on the way things have been going for Ms Kwan I suspect the next chapter in her life will be as rich and fulfilling as her now legendary skating career.
Wuz wondering if anyone remembers this:
I guess she was 13 or 14 here and already such a charmer.
I wish that Michelle would do a performance in the US. She hasn't performed in her home country since 2006, but she's been in Yu-Na's show twice. Sheeshe - the USFSA should be working on a farewell to Michelle tribute show for Nationals - see what that does for ticket sales!!!
If I could pick any skater I would like to able to skate like, it would be Michelle. No other skater has her connection to the music and the audience.
Who seriously cares about pro-competitions? Besides the fact that they're effectively dead. I'm sure there are some skating fanatics here who do care about them and no disrespect to Kristi's career but I digress. 13 million US viewers tuned in to the 1998 US ladies' nationals to watch Michelle's legendary victory there. These kind of blockbuster ratings for a non-Olympics skating event speaks for itself and is unheard of these days (2nd only to the US nationals after the Tonya and Nancy fiasco which was fueled by scandal and not by skating skills). Kristi was NEVER anywhere near as beloved or popular as Michelle, or had anywhere near the same level of press exposure and major endorsements, in fact she's probably more known for her dancing with the stars win than her skating these days.I would rather Yamaguchi's career with the Olympic Gold, World titles, and long and illustrious pro career than either Kwan or Hughes.
Michelle's the only skater to consistently be voted yearly as one of America's 10 favorite female athletes even loooong after she stopped competing. she even made the list of overall top 10 most popular athletes (both sexes) after the 2002 Olympics. Kristi made the top ten of most popular female athletes during the year she competed in dancing with the stars, but dropped off immediately after that yet Michelle remained a constant on the list despite no major media appearances since 2006!
Most people talk about Michelle's 5 world championship golds but she also has 9 world championship medals overall, including 3 silvers and a bronze. Compare that to Kristi's mere 2 world championship medals. As if Kristi's success in the pro circuit even comes close to comparing with amateur world medals.. not to mention michelle's 9 US national golds vs kristi's mere 3 national golds
Do I even need to mention the Figure Skating Reader's choice Award which is voted by fans, and how that award had to be renamed the "Michelle kwan trophy" because she won it an amazing 7 times?? The only other skater to win that award more than once was Johnny Weir and he only won twice! that award has been given out since 1989 btw which happens to be the only year kristi won
to the average american who doesn't watch skating, michelle kwan IS figure skating.
there have been other american female skaters that have been icons during their time, such as peggy fleming or dorothy hamill, but their reigns were much shorter. in a way michelle's failures helped to solidify her fame and longevity to a very fickle and forgetful american public throughout FOUR different olympics (she first garnered major press during the 1994 olympics as an alternate after the tonya and nancy debacle, and in 2006 even after she withdrew her withdrawal was the biggest story of those olympics in the US).
that in 2010 she still gets a spread/photoshoot in sports illustrated and a beautiful article says a lot.
So now we're potentially putting certain skaters' careers ahead of Kwan's IF they win an olympic gold in 4 years? I can see the pattern here, talk about reaching :sheesh:.I would rather Yu Na Kim's career being a trailblazer for her country and winning Olympic and World gold than either Kwan or Hughes as well. And if she were to win in 2014 I would rather Asada's as well.
Yes, yu-na's quite special for basically becoming the queen of skating in a country with a lackluster skating history. I would say Michelle's dominance is also special in that she became famous when skating was at its most popular in the United States after the Tonya/Nancy scandal, in a country with one of the greatest skating histories. If Korea fails to produce another champion after Yu-na leaves, skating in Korea will surely die a quick death. It means all the more that someone like Michelle is one of the most beloved of all time in a country with a long and illustrious history in skating.
Last edited by ashdustannie; 08-08-2010 at 02:52 PM.