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    competitors

    MEN
    1 Simon-Gabriel IONIAN AUT
    2 Clement LEDOUX AUT
    3 Maximilian OBSIEGER AUT
    4 Dmitri KAGIROV BLR
    5 Jorik HENDRICKX BEL
    6 Samuel MORAIS CAN
    7 Yuhang GUAN CHN
    8 Han YAN CHN
    9 Ivor MIKOLCEVIC CRO
    10 Petr COUFAL CZE
    11 Keiran ARAZA DEN
    12 Christopher BERNECK GER
    13 Filippo AMBROSINI ITA
    14 Fumiya ITAI JPN
    15 Ryuichi KIHARA JPN
    16 Girts JEKABSONS LAT
    17 Kamil BIALAS POL
    18 Min-Seok KIM KOR
    19 Zhan BUSH RUS
    20 Artem GRIGORIEV RUS
    21 Nicky OBREYKOV SWE
    22 Noah SCHERER SUI
    23 Stanislav PERTSOV UKR
    24 Richard DORNBUSH USA
    25 Alexander ZAHRADNICEK USA

    LADIES
    1 Victoria HUEBLER AUT
    2 Belinda SCHONBERGER AUT
    3 Sabrina SCHULZ AUT
    4 Katsiarina PAKHAMOVICH BLR
    5 Ira VANNUT BEL
    6 Kate CHARBONNEAU CAN
    7 Zijun LI CHN
    8 Petra JURIC CRO
    9 Kristina KOSTKOVA CZE
    10 Daria PODTELEJNIKOVA DEN
    11 Lenaelle GILLERON-GORY FRA
    12 Julia PFRENGLE GER
    13 Judit GRIGA HUN
    14 Alice GARLISI ITA
    15 Yukiko FUJISAWA JPN
    16 Ayumi GOTO JPN
    17 Zanna PUGACA LAT
    18 Reyna HAMUI MEX
    19 Joyce DEN HOLLANDER NED
    20 Ariel NADAS NZL
    21 Camilla GJERSEM NOR
    22 Alexandra KAMIENIECKI POL
    23 Polina AGAFONOVA RUS
    24 Adelina SOTNIKOVA RUS
    25 Monika SIMANCIKOVA SVK
    26 Patricia GLESCIC SLO
    27 Rebecka EMANUELSSON SWE
    28 Anais MORAND SUI
    29 Birce ATABEY TUR
    30 Alina MILEVSKAIA UKR
    31 Lindsay DAVIS USA
    32 Christina GAO USA

    PAIRS
    1 Brittany JONES / Kurtis GASKELL CAN
    2 Kristen TIKEL / Ian BEHARRY CAN
    3 Duo CHENG / Yu GAO CHN
    4 Wenjing SUI / Cong HAN CHN
    5 Xiaoyu YU / Yang JIN CHN
    6 Alexandra HERBRIKOVA / Alexandr ZABOEV CZE
    7 Klara KADLECOVA / Petr BIDAR CZE
    8 Anna KHNYCHENKOVA / Mark MAGYAR HUN
    9 Magdalena KLATKA / Radoslaw CHRUSCINSKI POL
    10 Kristina ASTAKHOVA / Nikita BOCHKOV RUS
    11 Tatiana DANILOVA / Andrei NOVOSELOV RUS
    12 Ksenia STOLBOVA / Fedor KLIMOV RUS
    13 Julia LAVRENTIEVA / Yuri RUDIK UKR
    14 Brynn CARMAN / AJ REISS USA
    15 Mandy GARZA / Brandon FRAZIER USA
    16 Olivia OLTMANNS / Joshua SANTILLAN USA

    ICE DANCE
    1 Hanna ASADCHAYA / Sergei PLISHKIN BLR
    2 Edrea KHONG / Edbert KHONG CAN
    3 Karolina PROCHAZKOVA / Michal CESKA CZE
    4 Irina SHTORK / Taavi RAND EST
    5 Sofia GASSOUMI / Arnaud PASZTORY FRA
    6 Gabriella PAPADAKIS / Guillaume CIZERON FRA
    7 Helen WRAY / Jack FINERTY GBR
    8 Maria DER / Daniel MAJER HUN
    9 Ksenia PECHERKINA / Aleksander JAKUSHIN LAT
    10 Baily CARROLL / Peter GERBER POL
    11 Victoria SINITSINA / Ruslan ZHIGANSHIN RUS
    12 Valeria ZENKOVA / Valerie SINITSIN RUS
    13 Nikola VISNOVA / Lukas CSOLLEY SVK
    14 Ramona ELSENER / Florian ROOST SUI
    15 Alexandra NAZAROVA / Maxim NIKITIN UKR
    16 Maria NOSULIA / Evgen KHOLONIUK UKR
    17 Charlotte LICHTMAN / Dean COPELY USA
    18 Anastasia OLSON / Jordan COWAN USA

    Why can they enter two American men?

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    Placings at Jr Worlds, I presume, just like why there are 2 Japanese Men. There was one Japanese man, who won, and there were 2 US men in the top 6, 3 in the top 10.

    Here's the relevant quote from the JGP announcement communication for the ISU for this year:

    2. ENTRIES
    2.1 Men and Ladies
    Members are entitled to enter competitors in the different events of the ISU Junior Grand Prix of Figure
    Skating in Men and Ladies according to the following system (see annexed Tables A and B):
    a) 2 entries in 7 events:
    The three (3) best placed Members at the previous ISU World Junior Figure Skating
    Championships may enter two (2) participants in all seven (7) events of the ISU Junior Grand Prix
    of Figure Skating in the category concerned
    b) 1 entry in 7 events:
    Members placed four (4) to six (6) at the previous ISU World Junior Figure Skating Championships
    are entitled to enter one (1) participant in seven (7) events of the ISU Junior Grand Prix of Figure
    Skating in the category concerned.
    c) 1 entry in 6 events:
    Members placed seven (7) to twelve (12) at the previous ISU World Junior Figure Skating
    Championships are entitled to enter one (1) participant in six (6) events of the ISU Junior Grand
    Prix of Figure Skating in the category concerned.
    d) 1 entry in 5 events:
    Members who qualified with skaters for the Final Free Skating, but were not placed in the first 12
    ISU Members of the previous ISU World Junior Figure Skating Championships, may enter one (1)
    participant in five (5) events of the ISU Junior Grand Prix of Figure Skating in the category
    concerned.
    e) 1 entry in 4 events:
    Members, who placed 25 to 30 in the Short Program of the previous ISU World Junior Figure
    Skating Championships, may enter one (1) participant in four (4) events of the ISU Junior Grand
    Prix of Figure Skating in the category concerned.
    f) 1 entry in 3 events:
    Members, who placed 31 and lower in the Short Program of the previous ISU World Junior Figure
    Skating Championships but participated in the category concerned, may enter one (1) participant
    in three (3) events of the ISU Junior Grand Prix of Figure Skating in the category concerned.
    g) 1 entry in 2 events:
    Members, who not participated in the previous ISU World Junior Figure Skating Championships in
    the category concerned, may enter one (1) participant in two (2) events of the ISU Junior Grand Prix
    of Figure Skating in the category concerned.
    h) Organizing Member:
    The Organizing Member may enter in its event up to three (3) men and three (3) ladies.
    Additional Entries
    For Men and Ladies if any Member mentioned under a) to c) does not use its right to enter skaters in the
    competition concerned, this slot will be given to the first Member, mentioned under b) for an additional entry.
    If another Member mentioned under a) to c) does not use its right to enter skaters in the competition
    concerned, this slot will be given to the second Member mentioned under b). If all Members under b) receive
    the right of a second entry, all further places not used will not be considered for replacement. The order of
    priority as listed has to be observed.
    The initial tables did not show 2 US men, but I wonder whether it was appealed, because the US had 2 men in 4 to 6, so one entry each for Messing and Hochstein?
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    China is sending two men. Therefore, they must have begged Kazakhstan.

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    Nan Song was 2nd, so that would have qualified 2 men, from the rules.

    The odd thing is that Gachinski qualified two Russian men, but only one is entered ?

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    China has the right to send two men to every event. In France and Romania, China dind't send anyone. Their "unused" spots are given to the US but this case is different. Having two men in the 4-6th places at JW does not give the US two spots each.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dorispulaski View Post
    Nan Song was 2nd, so that would have qualified 2 men, from the rules.

    The odd thing is that Gachinski qualified two Russian men, but only one is entered ?
    No, two are entered, Zhan Bush and Artem Grigoriev.

    Wow, how many strong ladies are there! Sotnikova and Agafonova from Russia, Fujisawa from Japan and Gao from the US! It's gonna be interesting!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dorispulaski View Post
    Nan Song was 2nd, so that would have qualified 2 men, from the rules.

    The odd thing is that Gachinski qualified two Russian men, but only one is entered ?
    There are two men in this competition, Bush & Grigoriev.

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    OK, I feel better. I would hate for Russia not to fill the spot when they have many talented junior men to put in it. For some reason, my eye skipped over Bush.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NMURA View Post
    China has the right to send two men to every event. In France and Romania, China dind't send anyone. Their "unused" spots are given to the US but this case is different. Having two men in the 4-6th places at JW does not give the US two spots each.
    Either you're wrong about this, and the US gets 1 spot for last year's 4th place, and 1 spot for last year's 5th place....or the US got the Kazahkstan spot for the extra, as Kaz isn't sending anybody to Graz. My guess is the latter, but the former does make some kind of sense also. It's not clear from the ISU rules dorisp posted above.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigsisjiejie View Post
    Either you're wrong about this, and the US gets 1 spot for last year's 4th place, and 1 spot for last year's 5th place....or the US got the Kazahkstan spot for the extra, as Kaz isn't sending anybody to Graz. My guess is the latter, but the former does make some kind of sense also. It's not clear from the ISU rules dorisp posted above.
    What happened is that the US, having the 4th ranked skater at Junior Worlds, got one of the China spots for men for both Courchevel (France) and Brasov (Romania), as per the last paragraph of what doris posted.

    Additional Entries
    For Men and Ladies if any Member mentioned under a) to c) does not use its right to enter skaters in the
    competition concerned, this slot will be given to the first Member, mentioned under b) for an additional entry.
    If another Member mentioned under a) to c) does not use its right to enter skaters in the competition
    concerned, this slot will be given to the second Member mentioned under b). If all Members under b) receive
    the right of a second entry, all further places not used will not be considered for replacement. The order of
    priority as listed has to be observed.
    Note that is says "any member mentioned under a) to c)". Kazakhstan's spots for the JGP fall under group c, and as all three group b nations (USA, CAN, SWE) are using their spots, Kazakhstan's is the first to be unused for Graz. Therefore, as the highest ranked in group b, USA gets the spot.

    It just so happened to work out that they also got two spots for Courchevel and Brasov, but there's no telling whether or not they'll get two at the other events. Depends on if any of the other a-c nations don't use all of their men's spots.

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    It's unlikely that no "unused" spots are left. For example, are there any men in Argentina, Andorra, Iceland, Azerbaijan, Uzbekistan, Singapore, Montenegro, Serbia, Thailand, et al? USA may end up sending two men to all events.
    Last edited by NMURA; 08-19-2010 at 05:04 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NMURA View Post
    It's unlikely that no "unused" spots are left. For example, are there any men in Argentina, Andorra, Iceland, Azerbaijan, Uzbekistan, Singapore, Montenegro, Serbia, Thailand, et al? USA may end up sending two men to all events.
    Whether any of the countries you listed entered any man at all to any of the JGP events has NO relevance to whether USA has gained an extra spot for each of the events. Concerning men's events, USA, CAN, and SWE are the only three countries that were possibly allowed extra spot for each event, and JPN, CHN, RUS, USA, CAN, SWE, KAZ, ESP, FRA, BEL, GER, and POL are the only 12 countries that could have given away their slot that allowed some or all of USA, CAN, and SWE to gain their second spot.

    Canada also could have taken its second spot at JGP France (a spot not used by BEL), at JGP Romania (a spot not used by KAZ), and at JGP Austria (a spot not used by ESP), and so could Sweden at JGP France (a spot not used by POL), at JGP Romania (a spot not used by BEL), and at JGP Austria (a spot not used by FRA), but these two countries did not take any of these for whatever reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by champs View Post
    Whether any of the countries you listed entered any man at all to any of the JGP events has NO relevance to whether USA has gained an extra spot for each of the events. Concerning men's events, USA, CAN, and SWE are the only three countries that were possibly allowed extra spot for each event, and JPN, CHN, RUS, USA, CAN, SWE, KAZ, ESP, FRA, BEL, GER, and POL are the only 12 countries that could have given away their slot that allowed some or all of USA, CAN, and SWE to gain their second spot.

    Canada also could have taken its second spot at JGP France (a spot not used by BEL), at JGP Romania (a spot not used by KAZ), and at JGP Austria (a spot not used by ESP), and so could Sweden at JGP France (a spot not used by POL), at JGP Romania (a spot not used by BEL), and at JGP Austria (a spot not used by FRA), but these two countries did not take any of these for whatever reason.
    Thanks for the clear and concise explanation. It makes sense now. But it is interesting to ponder why CAN and SWE didn't add an extra man when they could--I'm sure they have the candidates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucky Star View Post
    ]Wow, how many strong ladies are there! Sotnikova and Agafonova from Russia, Fujisawa from Japan and Gao from the US! It's gonna be interesting!
    I know. It's a crazy strong field. There's also Zijun Li from China, who has all 5 triples, as well as 2A-3T. It will be a very interesting competition!

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    It´s a really strong field. So I am not happy that Julia Pfrengle had to skate here. She have a 3-3 Combi and a 3Lo. In an eaysier field she can do really fine, especially in the Short Programm. But here, a top 10 will be a good result!

    Really excited to see Adelina. Hope that she can have a lot of fun, and the pressure is not too big for this young girl. Same for Liza this week. Hopefully both will have a great deput!

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