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    Quote Originally Posted by R.D. View Post
    As for Gao- I'll believe it when I SEE it.
    And I will enjoy watching her develope and will be cheering her on all the way.

    I think you miss something holding back and only supporting medal winners. Half the fun is watching some of these kids grow up and mature into not just good skaters but fine young adults. Christina has nothing to prove to me and I like her whether she wins a ton of medals or not.

    I was reading about a favorite gymnast of mine from '96 and 2000 the other day. She made it through Stanford, is an MD and surgeon and finishing up her residency.

    I lost track of her for a few years but I never doubted that Amy Chow was not just a terrific gymnast but a really great young lady. Now she will be a great pediatrician and part-time gymnastics coach.

    And who could resist a girl known as "the trickster."
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    Quote Originally Posted by janetfan View Post
    You forgot to mention how pretty Christina is and I think she is growing into a stunning looking young lady. Not that it matters.....cough, .....but it is still a judged sport
    Oh believe me, I was thinking that . She is very pretty, and slender, and long-legged, and asian, you know, not that any of the top skaters right now/in the past fall into that description . Plus Christina is great because she's like Michelle, Yuna, and Miki all mixed together .

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    Christina certainly has talent. It will be interesting to see how she develops.
    When I first saw her on TV, I wanted to give her a sandwich.

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    Quote Originally Posted by janetfan View Post
    Yes, of course. But remember, Mirai wil not be at Worlds without skating her best at Natls. If she is not peaking at Natls there are others who can beat her. She carried her strong Natls performance to the Olympics and even showed a stellar SP at Worlds. And Olympic years are more difficult because they are longer and there is more pressure.
    Yes, and that is why I hope that at Nationals Nagasu will be in good condition and skate really well = well enough to be selected for the World team. In my opinion though any Nationals definetely is the wrong place to peak, at Worlds a skater needs to be at her very best. There are about 2 months between US Nationals and Worlds.

    I´d suppose that Flatt may even win the next Nationals, but I doubt that she will do really well at Worlds...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaana View Post
    Yes, and that is why I hope that at Nationals Nagasu will be in good condition and skate really well = well enough to be selected for the World team. In my opinion though any Nationals definetely is the wrong place to peak, at Worlds a skater needs to be at her very best. There are about 2 months between US Nationals and Worlds.

    I´d suppose that Flatt may even win the next Nationals, but I doubt that she will do really well at Worlds...
    I basically agree with your thoughts but you seem to think US Natls is like some of the other Natl competitions. It is not and is nothing like Russian Natls. Or Japanese Natls.

    It is a winner take all type of event. There is no room to hold back as the only thing that counts is how you skate and place at Natls when it comes to making the Natl team..

    Miki missed the podium at Natls and still made her Natl team. That would not happen in the USA. In Russia the results do not guarantee a skater a place on the Natl team.

    We have two spots for the Ladies and maybe 5-6 girls capable of winning the spots. Past results don't matter and the head of our federation just can't pick who they want on the Natl team.

    It is the reason why so many of our skaters have said over the years that the pressure at Natls is greater than the pressure at Worlds. If Mirai skates good she has a 50-50 chance to make the team. If she is in tip top shape and skates her best she will most likely make the team. Mirai knows this and her coach absolutely knows this.

    I agree a skater wants to be at their peak at Worlds but in the USA you won't get the chance unless you were really in top shape at Natls and performing your best.
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    Janetfan is right. I take it that Japanese Nationals, and to a certain extent, Canadian Nationals are similar as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by janetfan View Post
    I agree a skater wants to be at their peak at Worlds but in the USA you won't get the chance unless you were really in top shape at Natls and performing your best.
    I absolutely agree with this. And I would say the same about every competition: skate your best.

    I cannot imagine that a skater would ever say, well, I guess I'd better fall down two or three times in my first event because I don't want to peak too soon.

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    WARNING - M.O.A. ( minority opinion alert ) I'm not sure I accept all of this "peak" stuff, though I know it is widely accepted. A skater, like any athlete, is expected to get in shape and stay in shape. He / she is expected to go out there lay blood and guts on the ice ....... regardless of what the calendar says.
    When a pitcher blows a big game, would the fans care if he said .... "Sorry everybody. I haven't quite hit my peak yet." ? In what sport is that a valid excuse?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    I absolutely agree with this. And I would say the same about every competition: skate your best.

    I cannot imagine that a skater would ever say, well, I guess I'd better fall down two or three times in my first event because I don't want to peak too soon.
    Thanks for agreeing - but I think Jaana was making a slightly different point which theoretically I agree with.
    Take Laura, one of my favorites. She would have no chance at all to make the US Natl team despite her Worlds Bronze last season unless she showed up at Natls in top shape and ready to battle it out - not to sound overly dramatic - to the death.

    Laura, in peak condition skating her best could make the US team. But a one triple skate would not cut it here. Even if your name was Michelle Kwan it would not cut it.

    That is why there were some hard feelings when Michelle petitioned her way onto the US team back in '06. It didn't bother me - but it did go against our tradition and was never fair to Emily who earned her spot on the ice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PolymerBob View Post
    WARNING - M.O.A. ( minority opinion alert ) I'm not sure I accept all of this "peak" stuff, though I know it is widely accepted. A skater, like any athlete, is expected to get in shape and stay in shape. He / she is expected to go out there lay blood and guts on the ice ....... regardless of what the calendar says.
    When a pitcher blows a big game, would the fans care if he said .... "Sorry everybody. I haven't quite hit my peak yet." ? In what sport is that a valid excuse?
    Baseball might not be the best analogy because they play so many games. Think more of a boxer or MMA fighter. I think today they do try and maintain a good condition year round - but when they have a fight scheduled there is no doubt they up the ante and training becomes quite intense with a defined goal of peaking come fight night.

    Skating has such a long season now and we do hear comments about pacing yourself. In this sense Jaana is right - and a skater can't hope to maintain competition shape 30 straight weeks. I do think certain skaters are capable of peaking more than once a season. Maybe this year Jeremy will be one of them

    This talk that Jeremy has peaked too early the last two seasons has everything to do with the nature of US Nationals and how the results determine the Natl team.

    Jaana might be suggesting Jeremy would have been better off peaking in February rather than at Natls.

    I am not sure if I buy that though. Jeremy is no kid, has been around long enough to know the deal and I think his unsteady performances might have more to do with nerves than peaking too soon. I could be wrong about that and not every skater is the same when it comes to stamina or the abilty to handle pressure.
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    Last night after viewing Mao Asada's masterpiece exhibition piece from 2008 (as well as timeless ones from Oksana Baiul), I decided to watch the top 3 from the 2010 Ladies Nationals again, which I haven't watched since January.

    And though I would have given it to Mirai Nagasu (she was a delight!), my heart was with Ashley Wagner. I still maintain she should have won Nationals in 2008 ~ that's the best I've ever seen her skate ~ imho she's by far the fastest skater amongst the USA ladies. She never stops, she literally speeds around, in fact maybe she should slow down a little, lol, especially when the music calls for it; hold out her positions a little longer to savor them. But that's being nitpicky, I still think she's the most complete skater out there in terms of having it all ~ speed, power, superb spinner, flexibility, emotion, and when she's on her jumps & 3/3s are a delight to behold. But consistency is her nemesis. I think the USFSA is willing to give it to her (dying to give it to her in fact), but she always tends to come up short when it counts. :( This is where Rachael Flatt trumps her again & again & again, and rightfully so.

    Of course Mirai also has it all, but in a different way; she & Ashley have different strengths and different body shapes, and thus far Mirai's are more appreciated when each skates their very best (e.g. 2008 Nationals). But looking at history, this is the way it has always been. The more stockier type skater always has to rely on her jumps in order to defeat the ballerina (e.g. Tonya vs. Kristi). Therefore, I think Mirai will win Nationals again this year unless Ashley & Rachael, et al, can bring down the house with 3/3s, 3A, and 7 triples galore!

    I'm just hoping everybody brings their A-game, like they did in 2008, and may the best woman win!!!!!! *clapping*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nadine View Post
    Last night after viewing Mao Asada's masterpiece exhibition piece from 2008 (as well as timeless ones from Oksana Baiul), I decided to watch the top 3 from the 2010 Ladies Nationals again, which I haven't watched since January.

    And though I would have given it to Mirai Nagasu (she was a delight!), my heart was with Ashley Wagner. I still maintain she should have won Nationals in 2008 ~
    Not trying to rain on your parade but I thought Ashley was overscored (at 2008) ... would have to review my tapes to remember exactly but I think some jump issues and bobbles here and there got overlooked with Ashley. I do like her though -- she is blazing fast and her jumps almost come out of nowhere!

    I enjoy Mirai and Rachael, too. I think all 3 ladies bring something different to the ice and are great to watch and support even if they are not gold medal contenders (most of the time).

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    Quote Originally Posted by rallycairn View Post
    Not trying to rain on your parade but I thought Ashley was overscored (at 2008) ... would have to review my tapes to remember exactly but I think some jump issues and bobbles here and there got overlooked with Ashley. I do like her though -- she is blazing fast and her jumps almost come out of nowhere!

    I enjoy Mirai and Rachael, too. I think all 3 ladies bring something different to the ice and are great to watch and support even if they are not gold medal contenders (most of the time).
    My hope for the season is that they send the best 2 to World's this season so that they can send Ashley-Mirai-Rachael to Nice in 2012.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SerpentineSteps View Post
    My hope for the season is that they send the best 2 to World's this season so that they can send Ashley-Mirai-Rachael to Nice in 2012.
    It will be Mirai, and either Christina, Ashley,Caroline or Agnes. Rachael will be off doing homework at Stanford by 2012.

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    Quote Originally Posted by janetfan View Post
    It will be Mirai, and either Christina, Ashley,Caroline or Agnes. Rachael will be off doing homework at Stanford by 2012.
    In theory. I know how much Rachael loves school but if she has really good results this season such as making/medaling at the GPF or medaling at Worlds, she may wait another year to go to college.

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