Lol, I realized my mistake after posting, but I thought most would know what I mean. :D
Actually it was the incomparable Dorothy Hamill whom first turned me onto skating as a young babe (lol, I even had her haircut in elementary school), but it was Sonja Henie who made me love it. I read all I could about her back then, the start of a love of history, and even have a little mini museum devoted to her (along with those I mentioned previously).
But back on topic, I really am looking forward to seeing what the Americans can do. At the same time though there is a pang in my heart knowing that the Russians have Elizaveta, Japan Mao Asada (& Miki Ando), and the USA no female that can do a 3A or 4S. Seriously, I am sad about this because the jumps are special to me.
Last edited by R.D.; 09-04-2010 at 03:04 PM.
About success on the Grand Prix and reputation judging at U.S. Nationals, I tend to agree with you that the effect is minor. Yes, judges are human and reputation is reputation. Still, I hope that everyone connected with the USFSA will continue to regard the U.S. championship as a big deal in its own right, not just as a stepping stone to worlds. Hey, you just won the championship of the whole U.S. of everlovin' A.!!!!
It all depends on context. Rudy Galiano's 1996 national champion was huge. It was the highlight of the career and was almost like winning a worlds for him. Alissa Czisny's 2009 national championship... not so much. I'm sure she treasures the moment but she's got to wish that she had won with an amazing FS skate and gone on to do well at worlds. And Jeremy Abbott is another champion who can't seem to medal at worlds. He's a two-time champ, which is nice, but he was been completely overshadowed by Evan.
Team A - Tier 1
-Medalists (top three) at the 2009 World Championships
-2009 U.S. senior champions
And here are the Team A, Tier 1 criteria for the 2010 - 2011 season.
Team A - Tier 1
-Placements 1st-3rd at the 2011 ISU World Figure Skating Championships
-2011 U.S. senior champion combined with a top-10 finish at 2011 ISU World Figure Skating Championships
Apparently being U.S. champion no longer guarantees Team A Tier 1. Some posters have called this the Abbott/Czisny rule. Of course, we all remember those infamous rules for picking the Olympic team.
I think what's going on here is that the USFSA is starting to value US championships less because, well let's face it, no matter how bad our skaters are, there will always be US champions. Our skaters can all zamboni the ice with their butts, there will ALWAYS be US champions.
What the USFSA values are skaters can go out into the world and battle the foreign warriors.
US Skating has a major network contract for Nationals. It will always be important even to new fans who haven't followed it for a long time. The criteria for better or worse seems OK to me.
I never thought of it that way ...
But I don't know if I like that rule...
So basically, only Mirai and Rachael are guaranteed a spot on the world team if they are national champion, correct? If Alissa or Ashley or Christina or anyone else wins they might be left off the team? Would that be unprecedented? I'd really like to see them try it ... Imagine if they diss the national champion only to see whoever they send fall apart at worlds. Yeah, that would make them look like geniuses. Anyone can fall apart. Heck Mirai and Rachael both flubbed at last year's worlds.
Last edited by janetfan; 09-04-2010 at 07:52 PM.
It doesn't matter what theories or rules he cites - we know that the medalists at Natls will be the skaters sent to Worlds and the Olympics.
In extreme cases (Michelle's petition) this can change. Otherwise it is a tradition begun before most here followed skating. I doubt it will change anytime soon - certainly not for the GP series or over funding envelopes.
Last edited by janetfan; 09-04-2010 at 07:50 PM.
But I think Janetfan raises a good point: The way those rules apply they STILL value the national championships a little more than even worlds. To get better funding than the U.S. champ you have to medal plus have the national champ finish lower than 10th, correct? You can't just do better than the U.S. champ at worlds. So even Flatt wouldn't have pulled it off in 2009, I understand correctly. She and Alissa both would have been in a lower tier, no?
Anyway, sure, past events must color the judge's eyes a little but only to an extent. I think you would be hard pressed to find someone who was given clear preferential treatment, or negative treatment at nats just because of the GP or other past events.
R.D. tried to make a case for 2010 speculating that Ashley would have made the team instead of Mirai if she hadn't fallen on her SP. Mayyyybeee... OTH, if that's how they were thinking you would think they would have given Rachael better treatment, given her fifth place finish at 2009 worlds which is really more impressive than Ashley's fourth at the GP final. Yet Rachael placed third in the SP behind Cohen and Mirai even though Rachael had no clear mistakes. They gave Mirai 70. I mean, they placed her ahead of Sasha Cohen.... My point is, you can try to read into things but in the end, the top two finishers were the ones with the two best skates in 2010. Not the ones with the better results at the GP or any of the rest.
Last edited by Layfan; 09-04-2010 at 08:01 PM.