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We have witnessed 3 different scoring systems since 2002. All of which have their pros and cons. Two styles are the result of these 3 different systems being very different. We shall all have our own thoughts.
CoP as it was last season (looking at ladies field which I know the best for now; started to watch men just last season). The changes (particularly the GOE importance) of CoP they made really are unnecessary.
There seem to be as many disputed outcomes under COP as there were under 6.0.
I find COP interesting. It's interesting to be able to break down why one skater gets more points than another and maybe it makes the judges think more. But it hasn't seemed to be able to diminish the furor over close outcomes at all. (Evan v. Plushenko. Rachael v. Mirai. Even Yuna v. Mao as there are plenty of fans and some skaters who say Mao should have won because of the 3a.)
I am old-fashioned so I say 6.0. It was a crazy system but CoP is driving me even more crazy. I also think it was a treat to see which judges actually gave what scores.
The controversy doesn't have to be linked with the system itself. I believe that Johnny Weir was really underscored at Olympics, but it wasn't the system's fault, for example.People can correct me if I'm wrong but the changes seem to be a reaction to every controversy that emerged last season. Next season, there will probably be more controversies and more changes.
i am old-fashioned so i say 6.0. It was a crazy system but cop is driving me even more crazy. i also think it was a treat to see which judges actually gave what scores.
?I m cause somewhere on the way I missed the 3rd one???We have witnessed 3 different scoring systems since 2002.
I also think it was a treat to see which judges actually gave what scores.
I thought the bronze medal in Dance in Vancouver was bad and reeked of politics and favoritism.
The Ladies LP at Worlds seemed wrong to me as well as I thought Mao was the clear winner.
I think I am in a minority when I say I am OK with Laura winning the bronze at Worlds. I know many thought Miki should have been third.
The Pairs in Vancouver looked disputable to me as the Silver medalists seemed underscored.
The Men's placements were wrong and Johnny outskated several who were placed above him. And the podium will be disputed forever.
So much for 2010 CoP curing skating's scoring disputes.
The controversy doesn't have to be linked with the system itself. I believe that Johnny Weir was really underscored at Olympics, but it wasn't the system's fault, for example.
She lost by approximately 1 point in total. She lost LP in PCS, not technical score. It was 5 triples of Yuna vs 5 triples of Mao + downgraded 3A, but Yuna had her high GOEs. It may be called controversial, but I say, just watch two performances one after another and you'll see the difference. With the new changes Yuna would lost.Mao didn't win the LP????? I didn't get to watch worlds - I had to play catch up. So I guess I still don't realize a lot of the details.
Well, at least every technical element has a "price" and you can analyse the scores. You know exactly which number means what. Then you can look into each element of the program and decide whether it was fair or not.I was thinking about Plushenko and Mao. But your point - that the controversy doesn't have to be linked to the system - is basically the point I was trying to make: COP seems at least to outsiders like me to have done little to lessen the number of controversies and fans seem to believe there is as much room for subjectivity as there was in 6.0. Johnny is a good example. I'd forgotten about that one.
Well, many who watched Mao and Yuna's performances back to back thought Mao skated much better. Leaving the system as it is? :think: The 6.0 system stood for decades and it seemed all alright until one judge got caught.
The 6.0 system stood for decades and it seemed all alright until one judge got caught.
The one thing necessary to understand is that there always will be close performances to each other. When the performances are close, it is obvious that the result in terms of score will be close too. Judges are experts (or supposed to be), so they should be able to distinguish who was better.When a result is such close margin between two, words clear better get cancelled by the system itself. One wrong button from a judge and it would be turned out different. Just general observation.
I won't talk about who was better, but the marks are to reflect the reality. If they don't reflect the reality, then the system is wrong. But is it? Yuna is considered the greatest skater right now and it is obvious that her program even with few mistakes would score good. The same can be said about Mao, of course, but she also had mistakes. I don't think that one popped jump and a fall destroys the flow of Yuna's program and nearly perfect jumps she did as well.Yuna's lp was better than Mao's in worlds? maybe in marks it turned out but in reality it was night and day, at least from live, mao sold her lp totally, she skated to win the title, i think yuna's worlds lp was the worst since TEB.
Well, maybe many who watched them thought the opposite thing, that Yuna skated much better? And in reality no one of them skated skated much better, but about the same?Well, many who watched Mao and Yuna's performances back to back thought Mao skated much better.
Well, maybe many who watched them thought the opposite thing, that Yuna skated much better? And in reality no one of them skated skated much better, but about the same?