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    Short Dance October 22nd, 2 am EST

    The short dance will be competed for the first time on the GP circuit at 2 am EST at NHK in Nagoya, Japan. The order of start has not yet been listed, but if it is done the way it was last year, the competitors start in reverse order of their world standing. Because this is a new format, and also because the requirements for level four in the various dance skills have been changed this year, predictions should be made very cautiously for this part of the event.

    The heart of the senior short dance is one repetition of the Golden Waltz CD. Levels are given to two different parts of this CD, so scoring of the SD is highly dependent on what level (one through four) the technical panel gives the two segments of the dance. Correct performance of each of four steps per segment yields one additional level per segment . For people wanting a complete rundown on how this works, I've described it here:
    http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/sho...l=1#post519440

    There were significant surprises at the fall competitions where the senior SD was skated. Particularly surprising was Capellini and Lanotte (ITA) placing ahead of Pechalat and Bourzat (FRA) at the debut of the senior short dance at the 2010 Nebelhorn Trophy. In recent years, speed and the correct portrayal of the general character of the dance were emphasized more in the grading of the compulsory dances rather than exact technical correctness. The short dance grading reliance on techical levels, and subsequent differences in point awards could definitely cause a surprise or two here in the short dance at NHK.

    One would expect Davis and White, last year's Olympic and World silver medallists to completely blow away the competition here. However, Davis and White scrapped their first version of a short dance, following monitoring at Champs' Camp, so their new program is not as familiar to them as in previous years. And they have been very busy skating TV shows and SOI, something new for them this year. They may not perform with their usual speed and crispness. Capellini and Lanotte, who skate to a charming, light-hearted combination of the Golden Waltz and the Quickstep, may keep the scores close, or even finish ahead, depending on the technical levels Davis and White receive for the Golden Waltz.

    Third place is wide open. The Shibutanis had a disaster in their first short dance at Nebelhorn. However, Maia has grown considerably, and this team presents a much more mature appearance on the ice this year. The Golden Waltz is new to them, as they are just up from juniors. They skate to a Waltz for the entire program, which I feel is a good approach to the short dance. The Shibutanis beat Capellini and Lanotte in the free dance at Nebelhorn. The Shibutanis should not be discounted as challengers for third in the short dance.

    Weaver and Poje did not compete at Worlds last year, however they will have practiced the Golden Waltz in preparation for it. And they did win Four Continents 2010. However, their choice of Fallin' for the Golden Waltz section of their short dance may well make it difficult to get full technical marks for that portion of the dance, due to the irregular phrasing and non Viennese Waltz feel of the piece. They remain challengers for third, because they are great dancers, and they so look the part of a romantic Viennese Waltz couple.

    Huge excitement has heralded the debut of World Junior Champions Ilinykh and Katsapalov RUS on the senior circuit this year, following their extremely well received Schindler's List free dance, and Andean folk dance last season. However, they arrived at the Russian test skate somewhat out of shape, and their programs were criticized by Tarasova. Like the Shibutanis, the Golden Waltz is new to them. And the choice of the waltz from Agony should transition relatively well into a second half of the dance to a tango, but again, it makes correct performance of the Golden Waltz more difficult. They remain challengers for third here in the short dance, but I expect to see them excel more in the free dance.

    Mysliveckova and Novak CZE have done very well in the two short dances they have competed in. This has been based on getting a level four for one of their Golden Waltz segments in both competitions they competed at. If other teams are given low levels for their Golden Waltz segments, Mysliveckova and Novak could even be surprise third place finishers here in the short dance. Their 56.61 short dance score at Nepela Trophy bodes quite well for them in this part of the event.

    So here's the lineup! ETA, This is now the official start order:

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    WARMUP GROUP 1
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    Dora TUROCZI / Balazs MAJOR HUN (ISU World Ranking: Fifty Eigth)
    Coach: Ilona Berecz
    Choreographer: Galit Chait
    Their program: Waltz: The Royal Waltz; Quickstep: Sing, Sing, Sing
    Current Junior champions of Hungary
    12th at last year's Junior World Championships

    Xiaoyang YU / Chen WANG CHN (ISU World Ranking: Thirty Sixth)
    Coach: Hongyan Xi
    Choreographer: Natalia Linichuk
    Their program: Waltz: The Blue Danube by Johann Strauss
    For three years straight, National Senior champions in China
    18th at lst year's World Championships


    Penny COOMES / Nicholas BUCKLAND GBR (ISU World Ranking: Thirtieth)
    Coach: Evgeni Platov, Philip Askew
    Choreographer: Philip Askew
    Their program: Waltz: La Valse d'Amelie by Yann Tiersen; Tango: Tango de los Exilados by Vanessa Mae and Walter Taieb
    Current British Senior Silver Medallists
    16th at European Championships last year
    This fall, third at Coupe de Nice, fourth at Nepela Trophy


    Cathy REED / Chris REED JPN (ISU World Ranking: Twenty Ninth)
    Coach: Nikolai Morozov, Walter Rizzo
    Choreographer: Nikolai Morozov, Patti Wilcox
    Their program: A Party For Me? (from Addams Family soundtrack) by Marc Shaiman; The Tango (from Addams Family soundtrack) by Marc Shaiman
    For three years straight, National Senior champions in Japan
    15th at last year's World Championships

    Elena ILINYKH / Nikita KATSALAPOV RUS (ISU World Ranking: Twenty Seventh)
    Coach: Alexander Zhulin, Oleg Volkov
    Choreographer: Liudmila Vlasova
    Their program: Waltz: Waltz from "Agony" (soundtrack) by Alfred Schnittke; Tango
    Current Junior Silver medallists in Russia
    Current World Junior Champions

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    WARMUP GROUP 2
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    Lucie MYSLIVECKOVA / Matej NOVAK CZE (ISU World Ranking: Twenth Third)
    Coach: Natalia Karamysheva, Rostislav Sinicyn
    Choreographer: M. Drobiazko, P. Vanagas, R. Sinicyn
    Their program: Waltz: Battagliero; Quickstep: by Alexander's Rag Time Band remix as quickstep
    Did not compete at last year's Czech National championship, due to injury
    16th at the last World Championships
    This season, second at the Nepela Trophy, seventh at Nebelhorn

    Maia SHIBUTANI / Alex SHIBUTANI USA (ISU World Ranking: Fourteenth)
    Coach: Igor Shpilband, Marina Zueva, J.Johns, A. Lenda
    Choreographer: Igor Shpilband, Marina Zueva
    Their program: Waltz: The Carousel Waltz by Richard Rodgers
    Current US Junior champions
    4th at last year's Junior Worlds, 2nd at the previous Junior Worlds
    5th at Nebelhorn this fall, due to a fall in the SD. They were second in the FD at Nebelhorn, ahead of Capellini/Lanotte.

    Kaitlyn WEAVER / Andrew POJE CAN (ISU World Ranking: Eleventh)
    Coach: S. Bourne, P. Camerlengo, A. Krylova
    Choreographer: Shae-Lynn Bourne, Pasquale Camerlengo
    Their program: Waltz: At Last by Etta James; Cheek to Cheek by Irving Berlin
    1st place at 4CC's in 2010
    3rd at Canadian Senior Nationals

    Anna CAPPELLINI / Luca LANOTTE ITA (ISU World Ranking: Eighth)
    Coach: Muriel Zazoui, Romain Haguenauer
    Choreographer: D. Ribas, M.F. Dubreuil, P. Lauzon
    Their program: Waltz: Que Sera, Sera by Doris Day; Quickstep: Girls, Girls, Girls by Sailor
    11th at last year's World Champions
    For four years, 2nd place at Italian Nationals, behind Faiella and Scali
    Won the Short Dance at Nebelhorn, but placed 2nd overall there this fall.
    Their SD at Nebelhorn:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAN1zAu11JE

    Meryl DAVIS / Charlie WHITE USA (ISU World Ranking: First)
    Coach: Igor Shpilband, Marina Zueva
    Choreographer: Igor Shpilband, Marina Zueva
    Their programs: Foxtrot: La Boheme by G. Puccini; Waltz: La Traviata by G. Verdi
    For two years, Senior champions in the USA
    2nd at World Championships last year
    Following monitoring at the US "Champs Camp", they switched their short program from the Amelie soundtrack.

    The short dance was competed at Nebelhorn this fall. Scores were as follows:
    Result Details Pl. Name Nation TSS = TES + PCS + SS TR PE CC IT Deduction - StN.
    1 Anna CAPPELLINI / Luca LANOTTE ITA 59.86 30.79 29.07 7.14 7.04 7.29 7.43 7.39 0.00 #16
    6 Lucie MYSLIVECKOVA / Matej NOVAK CZE 50.97 27.23 23.74 5.79 5.61 5.75 6.07 6.29 0.00 #14
    8 Maia SHIBUTANI / Alex SHIBUTANI USA 46.90 21.21 26.69 6.71 6.54 6.61 6.79 6.68 1.00 #4
    (Maia fell, and they got no credit for the twizzles)

    It was also skated at the Ondrej Nepela Trophy:

    2 Lucie MYSLIVECKOVA / Matej NOVAK CZE 56.61 30.50 26.11 6.50 6.33 6.50 6.58 6.67 0.00 #6
    4 Penny COOMES / Nicholas BUCKLAND GBR 47.02 21.23 25.79 6.42 6.33 6.50 6.25 6.67 0.00 #7

    And Coupe de Nice
    3 Penny COOMES / Nicholas BUCKLAND GBR 45.99 23.33 22.66 5.92 5.58 5.67 5.67 5.50 0.00 #4

    It was also skated at Finlandia, but none of the NHK competitors competed there.
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    There may be some confusion as to the schedule. Universalsports dot com lists the short dance as late tomorrow night, or early Friday morning, Eastern time.

    http://www.universalsports.com/news/...eb+tv+schedule

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    Yesterday, when I put this together, IN had it listed for tonight and they are live streaming the event. ISU still doesn't have the event details up. However, today, they have it listed for tomorrow, so PolymerBob, you're right, and I'll change the article title. However, I'll be checking tonight, just in case.

    Other than that, how do you think the SD will go?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dorispulaski View Post
    Other than that, how do you think the SD will go?
    Well, my knowledge of ice dancing is much less than yours, but I really don't see how anyone can give Meryl and Charlie a challenge. And maybe Maia and Alex can pull off a second position after the SD.
    I am not sure what logic went into this roster. Was somebody trying to organize a rout?

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    Unless Virtue and Moir had been scheduled here -which was an impossibility- Davis and White were going to win by a hugely gigantic margin. They will win here by 30 40 points probably and would even if ALL the top europ teams were invited.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PolymerBob View Post
    Well, my knowledge of ice dancing is much less than yours, but I really don't see how anyone can give Meryl and Charlie a challenge. And maybe Maia and Alex can pull off a second position after the SD.
    I am not sure what logic went into this roster. Was somebody trying to organize a rout?
    The problem was the large number of injuries and retirements last year..

    Delobel / Schoenfelder & Belbin / Agosto & Domnina & Shabalin retired after Olympics
    Zaretskis, and Navarro / Bommentre and Rubleva / Shefer and Khokhlova / Novitski retired after Worlds
    Samuelson / Bates, Kerrs, and Virtue / Moir injured.

    Here's the standings from Worlds 2010.

    1 Tessa VIRTUE / Scott MOIR CAN 224.43 1 1 2
    2 Meryl DAVIS / Charlie WHITE USA 223.03 2 2 1
    3 Federica FAIELLA / Massimo SCALI ITA 197.85 3 3 4
    4 Nathalie PECHALAT / Fabian BOURZAT FRA 194.39 4 4 3
    5 Sinead KERR / John KERR GBR 189.11 6 5 5 6 Alexandra ZARETSKY / Roman ZARETSKY ISR 181.26 8 6 6
    7 Vanessa CRONE / Paul POIRIER CAN 180.30 9 7 7
    8 Ekaterina BOBROVA / Dmitri SOLOVIEV RUS 177.23 11 8 8
    9 Emily SAMUELSON / Evan BATES USA 168.77 10 10 10
    10 Nora HOFFMANN / Maxim ZAVOZIN HUN 166.90 13 11 9
    11 Anna CAPPELLINI / Luca LANOTTE ITA 164.52 7 12 14
    12 Pernelle CARRON / Lloyd JONES FRA 161.86 15 13 12
    13 Ekaterina RUBLEVA / Ivan SHEFER RUS 161.20 16 16 11
    14 Kimberly NAVARRO / Brent BOMMENTRE USA 159.68 14 15 15

    15 Cathy REED / Chris REED JPN 154.93 23 14 13
    16 Lucie MYSLIVECKOVA / Matej NOVAK CZE 147.93 18 17 17

    In any case, there was a huge gap between D&W and V&M and the rest of the field.

    Quote Originally Posted by gmyers View Post
    Unless Virtue and Moir had been scheduled here -which was an impossibility- Davis and White were going to win by a hugely gigantic margin. They will win here by 30 40 points probably and would even if ALL the top europ teams were invited.
    The interesting thing will be how many points D&W win by, and how they are judged in the SD. The best SD score I've seen this year is by Monko/Khaliavin, in juniors (where the easier Viennese Waltz is skated). They scored 65.12.

    Presupposing D&W don't eat sushi / bane of all skating competitors.

    Originally, Samuelson & Bates were scheduled to be here, but they are injured.

    As to C/L keeping it close in the SD, note that they were 7th in the CD at Worlds, which was the GW. They are quite good, precise skaters of the Golden Waltz.
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    Thanks Doris.

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    Thanks for all the great comprehensive information! I'm looking forward to this so much Especially Igor's teams, the Canadians and the Reeds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dorispulaski View Post
    Presupposing D&W don't eat sushi / bane of all skating competitors.
    Isn't sushi one of Charlie's favorite foods?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apple Pi View Post
    Isn't sushi one of Charlie's favorite foods?
    Yeah, but I think they know better not to eat it before the competition. In fact, Charlie's mother tweeted about shopping for "healthy food" and showed pics of her, Meryl and Meryl's mother shopping for food the first day they got there! They are old pros at this!

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    Yes, skaters. Please stay away from raw fish before the event is done. The list is long for those who had not heeded this advice. Amongst most heart breaking was Jeff Buttle couple years back I think at Grand Prix final?

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    It was GPF 08, on Korea, wasn't it?

    *A lot* of skaters were sick after some bad fish.

    Trankov stormed out of the KnC, Novitski didn't skate after the warm up, Delobel was ill too... those are just the ones I remember.

    Staying away from the raw fish until the competition is over is definetively a good idea.

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    I think there was another raw fish episode when Worlds was in Minneapolis? In any case, sushi after the competition, not before.

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    First group done:


    1 Elena ILINYKH / Nikita KATSALAPOV
    RUS
    56.89 1
    2 Cathy REED / Chris REED
    JPN
    44.90 2
    3 Penny COOMES / Nicholas BUCKLAND
    GBR
    43.52 3
    4 Xiaoyang YU / Chen WANG
    CHN
    43.50 4
    5 Dora TUROCZI / Balazs MAJOR
    HUN
    32.68 5


    Segment Result Details

    Pl. Name Nation TSS
    = TES
    + PCS
    + SS TR PE CC IT Ded.
    - StN.
    1 Elena ILINYKH / Nikita KATSALAPOV RUS 56.89 29.79 27.10 6.82 6.50 6.82 6.82 6.86 0.00 #5
    2 Cathy REED / Chris REED JPN 44.90 21.86 23.04 5.79 5.46 5.75 5.93 5.82 0.00 #4
    3 Penny COOMES / Nicholas BUCKLAND GBR 43.52 22.36 21.16 5.39 5.07 5.21 5.36 5.36 0.00 #3
    4 Xiaoyang YU / Chen WANG CHN 43.50 22.85 20.65 5.21 4.82 5.21 5.21 5.29 0.00 #2
    5 Dora TUROCZI / Balazs MAJOR HUN 32.68 15.81 16.87 4.46 4.18 4.21 4.32 3.96 0.00 #1

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