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    He should learn the art of not talking.

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    Or at the very least, the art of fact checking before you blab to the media.

    I'm surprised the reporter included Patrick's comment about Daisuke not landing a quad in NHK, it really sticks yet another foot in Patrick's mouth....

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    ...but seriously. Quads are sorely missing in Men's figure skating these days.

    I remember when there was a time when you could clearly pick out the superior skaters; when you could expect there to be good skating, excellent choreo/interpretation, and quads. Back when Yagudin, Plushenko, and Goebel were in their primes. These days, we often do still see excellent skating and performances from the guys, but I can't help but feel like something's lacking.

    Even when a skater didn't have a quad, the striving and the standard was there. Not so much anymore. I would be lying if I said it didn't feel like things have regressed a little.

    With Patrick, I hope he does master his quad and 3-axel consistently. I'd be really excited at the potential.

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    You know the honest to God truth is I feel rather sorry for Patrick. Seriously, he seems like a people-pleaser, he wants to please everybody, he tries so hard but instead it always came out with him sticking his proverbial foot in his mouth. He reminds me of a puppy dog, wanting to be accepted, it's rather endearing in fact. I mean this with all sincereity.

    The kid has my sympathies, I still recall how seeing him skate in person at the Olympics changed my mind about him, I couldn't believe he was that good. At that moment I understood what everybody meant that seeing skating *live* is a whole other ballgame. The short guys are not so impressive in person imho because they look like fleas on ice, except Patrick, his extensions (like Sasha Cohen) make him appear to be taller than what he actually is, that's what I noticed right off the bat. And then there was Zhenya (aka Evgeni Plushenko), there's nothing like it, he has this honest to God aura about him, it just radiates, like seeing a Romanov in person. I can't explain it, especially when he skates, nothing like it. And the tall lithe guys stick out like a beam of light (aka Abbott, Lysacek, and that one guy from Russia). Anyhow, just some late night ramblings...

    p.s. that said, I'm a traditionalist, and believe that a fall is a fall is a fall. In Sonja Henie's day if you fell you were automatically out, "falls" were considered a weakness in her day, and it is to me as well, no matter how beautiful the skating (ala Sasha Cohen). That's what show skating is for imho.

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    In Russia we say: "Word is silver, but silence is gold". So Patrick, could you please shut up and just skate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by evangeline View Post
    Or at the very least, the art of fact checking before you blab to the media.

    I'm surprised the reporter included Patrick's comment about Daisuke not landing a quad in NHK, it really sticks yet another foot in Patrick's mouth....
    He specifies in the short program. Still stupid comment, but not technically wrong.

    My thing is what everyone complains about: I wish he would leave it on the ice. Talk about your training, your programs, but competition is competition. Don't mock the competition with your words. He did it post CoR last season and his debut was terrible. We read that he comments on Takahashi's strategy, as opposed to just performing his own. I want to defend him so much (and am thankful that Nadine is doing so) but he makes it so hard.

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    Especially when Takahashi is really not one to shy away from doing the quad. He was back doing it in his comeback season from after what could've been a career-ending injury. Hello, he even tried the 4F. And when it comes to musicality, interpretation, and audience involvement, Patrick could learn a thing or two from Daisuke.

    Honestly, Patrick should just let his skating do the talking. At this point, he's commented negatively on Joubert, Plushenko and Takahashi, and ended up with an egg on his face more often than not. He's a very talented skater, but he's not the alpha and omega of skating.

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    I'm going to cut Chan some slack on this one. First of all, it's not clear what exactly he said to the interviewer re Takahashi; that part of the article is paraphrased, not a direct quote. In addition, Dai does open himself to criticism in this regard; he keeps talking about how important it is to him to win with a quad, and then he goes out and does 3-3s in the SP, even though he's perfectly capable of landing quads. Sure, he was returning from injury last season. But he's fine now, and he was fine in 2008. Chan probably shouldn't be the one to criticize, but it's a valid point for discussion.

    And finally, Chan wasn't all talk in this case; he went for it in the SP, which I bet many people didn't think he would. Even with the rule changes, a lot of skaters are still not trying quads in the SP, and I think it was brave of him to do so despite having a lot less experience with the jump than others.

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    I think it's really funny how much circulation this story got. It was reproduced online on ESPN, Lebanon News, and probably many more. Neither websites particularly cover skating, so it would be funny to see if they followed up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buttercup View Post
    I'm going to cut Chan some slack on this one. First of all, it's not clear what exactly he said to the interviewer re Takahashi; that part of the article is paraphrased, not a direct quote. In addition, Dai does open himself to criticism in this regard; he keeps talking about how important it is to him to win with a quad, and then he goes out and does 3-3s in the SP, even though he's perfectly capable of landing quads. Sure, he was returning from injury last season. But he's fine now, and he was fine in 2008. Chan probably shouldn't be the one to criticize, but it's a valid point for discussion.

    And finally, Chan wasn't all talk in this case; he went for it in the SP, which I bet many people didn't think he would. Even with the rule changes, a lot of skaters are still not trying quads in the SP, and I think it was brave of him to do so despite having a lot less experience with the jump than others.
    Daisuke landed the quad in the long program at NHK. Considering his issues with the quad toe last year, I could understand if the guy's building up to it.

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    I dont think he has said all things about Plu, JOub and Dai as it was printed but he must have said something so the journalist transfered it I guess, which is not very wise for his age and legend in skating to talk about accoplished skaters, first year he was obsessed with Joub, then Plu came back and he got occupied with him and this year with Dai, always with skaters that he feels threatened they would beat him or something.He is not making a rivary like this, it just looks bad. Hanyu said I want to be a Plushenko or something like this and he did land one in his first senior competition. At least Chan can talk after competitions, a vow of silence before doesnt hurt. But kudos for the quad
    But my real question is what "he puts an egg on his face" means because I m trying to portray it literally and i cant

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImaginaryPogue View Post
    He specifies in the short program. Still stupid comment, but not technically wrong.

    My thing is what everyone complains about: I wish he would leave it on the ice. Talk about your training, your programs, but competition is competition. Don't mock the competition with your words. He did it post CoR last season and his debut was terrible. We read that he comments on Takahashi's strategy, as opposed to just performing his own. I want to defend him so much (and am thankful that Nadine is doing so) but he makes it so hard.
    I stand corrected, then.

    But I completely agree with your point about Patrick needing to leave it on the ice. Talking down your opponents looks rather silly when it's one-sided.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucky Star View Post
    In Russia we say: "Word is silver, but silence is gold". So Patrick, could you please shut up and just skate?
    IN USA you often hear "It is better to remain silent and let people think you are a fool, rather than open your mouth and remove all doubt."

    Does Chan have any PR agent/manager/minder on his team, giving him any advice? Or is he just a loose cannon?

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    Quote Originally Posted by seniorita View Post
    I dont think he has said all things about Plu, JOub and Dai as it was printed but he must have said something so the journalist transfered it I guess, which is not very wise for his age and legend in skating to talk about accoplished skaters, first year he was obsessed with Joub, then Plu came back and he got occupied with him and this year with Dai, always with skaters that he feels threatened they would beat him or something.He is not making a rivary like this, it just looks bad. Hanyu said I want to be a Plushenko or something like this and he did land one in his first senior competition. At least Chan can talk after competitions, a vow of silence before doesnt hurt. But kudos for the quad
    But my real question is what "he puts an egg on his face" means because I m trying to portray it literally and i cant
    Agreed, Seniorita. And if Chan just kept quiet, he'd be an impressive skater. But some people need to run their mouth off to get themselves revved up, I guess.

    The "egg on his face" idiom means that he embarrassed himself (or got into an embarrassing situation), generally in full view of other people. You can say "He ended up with egg on his face," and people will know that the person in question is standing there not looking too cool at that moment. There's often a public element to the idiom, because when you do something silly in private, no one has to know, and it doesn't sting quite so much.

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    patrick needs a muzzle..or at least the understanding that when an interviewer asks you to account for something or asks you a leading question..you don't have to , especially when it involves analysing what has with another skater ( or what they may have said, or whatever )

    I think nadine has it dead to rights, he wants too much to please.. Look , Patrick , they'll be pleased enough if you just say " I can't explain it..I just know I have to focus on my goals." or something like that. That said ,I always take paraphrases with a grain of salt . It's very possible he was relating her question ,whatever it was, and the situation with Dai at NHK , to all the hoo-ha that was directed at him (Patrick) last year as to whether a skater could / should win without a quad and literally everyone ( even his supporters ) saying that while you might not need one on any given day , you'd better try to have one in your arsenal .

    Just keep mum.

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