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I actually don't think so. I think he actually doesn't care that much about tact and other useless stuff. I guess he is probably rather aware of what he said last season and the season before. Probably aware of the fact that he is contradicting himself. He never ever struck me as especially innocent or stupid.
Originally Posted by Nadine
He has guts, too. Going for the Quad in both the short and the long right away, most people try for ages in the long program before at some point deciding to try it in the short.
He is not a great skater, he is a glorious one. And I think he actually knows it. And I think that really shows, in interviews and while he is skating. And it is good that it does. I am starting to adore him.
Disclaimer: nobody here really knows Patrick, me neither. So everything here is purely hypothetical.
I really don’t have an opinion, nor do I care about what Patrick’s personality is like or what he says to the press. Figure skating is a sport so it’s to be expected that huge egos are involved, since most athletes are usually self-involved. Understandable.
But I think a lot of the complaints about his scores have merit.
Last edited by Figure88; 10-30-2010 at 09:28 PM.
Thanks for sharing your views on this Medusa. I think Patrick is such an impressive skater and still what - 19 years old?
Originally Posted by Medusa
I am not always a fan of everything that comes out of his mouth but find him far from the outrageous personality some here claim him to be.
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Yeah..he hasn't learned tact , but OTOH, there are lots of people just waiting for any excuse to get their hate on. I haven't really been to the SC SP thread..made me feel a bit overwhelmed. I don't like it when skaters are held up..but it can happen for the home skaters of whatever country the event is held in..combine that with the new jump rules , which I'm a bit dubious about , and the combined result could be enough to easily explain what happened the other day.
I 've probably said this before, but when I first saw him live a couple of years ago , I was on my feet , unable to sit down for about the last minute and a half of his free skate. I simply could not believe all the things he was doing with his feet , the speed that he was doing it at and the distance he was covering .That there were jumps and spins incorporated..with hardly any break in pace..I couldn't tear my eyes away, but I was afraid to look..in case he couldn't sustain it.
Anyway, i'm going to hopr to see him lay down 2 clean skates next time out . That would go a long way to bringing the noise level down.
Yes, he is still really young... Besides, I have the impression the article in the first posting has been changed a bit since it first appeared. I definetely remember that Chan mentioned something like that even without a quad Lysacek deserved his gold medal and the win over Plushenko in Vancouver. I see that remark no more, LOL... Is the writer a Canadian or an American?
Originally Posted by janetfan
Last edited by Jaana; 10-31-2010 at 12:08 AM.
<<< it’s “kind of weird” when a skater doesn’t put a quad in his short program even though he’s known for doing them. He said he was shocked that world champion Daisuke Takahashi won the NHK Trophy event last week without a quad, and he’s been doing quads longer than Chan has been doing triple Axels.>>>
this ... coming from Chan is pretty annoying and totally unacceptable. only guys like Plushy and Joubert can say that.
BTW, i know Daisuke did have 4toe-3or2toe in SP back in 2004-05 season. but i guess not any more since he had worked with Morozov.
personally, with a quad or not, i think SP should be clean enough to get decent PCS.
Last edited by zoozle; 10-31-2010 at 06:15 PM.
how about this?
<<<Chan acknowledged his role as a judges' favorite, saying he's grateful to be recognized for his skating skills.
"It's a good position to be in," he said. "I know [coach and choreographer] Lori [Nichol] speaks highly of me to judges, and I want to perform the way she says I can.
"Now that I've added the quad to my arsenal, I think I've stepped up to the Brian [Joubert] and Daisuke [Takahashi] level. It's taken a while with the quad.">>>
what he says is so unnecessary and hard to understand that he likes to bring other skaters names this way.
Hanyu is only 15 years old, and he is smart enough to know what to say when he speaks to a media.
So....is he basically openly admitting that Lori Nichol is politicking hard for him? I know there's more politicking in this sport than are sequins, but isn't this whole politicking business supposed to be hush-hush? Well, at least he's honest about it.....
Originally Posted by zoozle
Well, I guess it's nice for Lori to see the fruits of her labour successfully harvested.
Last edited by evangeline; 10-31-2010 at 09:17 PM.
When Lori puts on seminars for ISU judges, to teach them what to look for in judging Performance/Execution, Choreography and Interpretation, she can mention the "happy feet" criterion.
Hats off to "La Chan" for bringing the quad! *clapping* He now joins an elite select few, which is becoming bigger by the moment, lol.
Still, he & others will have to consistently land 10 per year in order to catch up to the true Quad Kings (ala Plushenko, Lambiel, Joubert). Kevin Reynolds is the one that is slowly but surely getting there. (:^)
Why does Chan need a respect from Russian audience when he gets it from judges..
Originally Posted by bestskate8
Well, after SP at Scate Canada Chan must had been on the last place but he was placed 4th... The refereeing at SC was really strange. Chan's PCs scores were too big. It was very unpleasant to see such favouritism towards one skater. I will go to Moscow Gran Pri Cup where Chan will skate and will see him live. Maybe when watching him on TV I miss something, but I never understood why the judges had always put Chan 5 places higher than he actually deserved...
Last edited by Ellen; 11-01-2010 at 12:08 PM.
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And that's an understatement. When it comes to musicality, interpretation, performance, Dai can write a whole book, and Pchan is just doing a paragraph.
Originally Posted by oleada
Also, Dai went for the quad at the Olys, which Chan didn't do... who's the risk-taker there?
Geez, this guy really irks me.
Last edited by Hikaru; 11-01-2010 at 10:45 PM.
He seems to be confident with his quads. Good for him!
I always have an impression that he is the type of person who says what he thinks right away.
Unlike some posters in this thread, I don't find his comments on other skaters rude or unappropriate. He did not even criticize someone else.
(Feel for him because he seems to have so many critics in GS...)
Anyway, I hope he can do his programs without any wonky jumps and falls, highlighting the showcase of his wonderful footworks. Seeing his FS this season made me want to see him better!
Last edited by sunny0760; 11-02-2010 at 04:09 AM.
He's one of the reasons I sometimes think figure skating is like a soap opera. But I have to cut him some slack. He's so often told how great he is, no surprise it got to his head. One example:
Watch the first video "Backstage Pass: Patrick Chan" (not "Chan-tastic") at Skatebuzz! He was interviewed by Debbie Wilkes (Skate Canada’s Director of Marketing and Sponsorship, IIRC) after his short program:
Debbie Wilkes: "I know you where very disappointed, but the program is breathtaking and although the program wasn't delivered the way you wanted to do it tonight, it was still magnificent."
Patrick: "I hope you don't lose faith in me."
Debbie Wilkes: "Oh, for heaven's sake no, it won't happen. One disappointing skate doesn't make a failure."
I don't like the way she talkes to him here (after this program). It doesn't do him any good to be treated like that most of the time. At the beginning of his career, he was a bit self-confident, but still humble. Now he's just self-confident and IMO part of the reason is the constant praise (and these scores).
You can find more interesting quotes from Patrick Chan in Lynn Rutherford's articles about the Men's short and long at Icenetwork. He's quite aware that the judges like him no matter what.
My hunch is that Chan is endearing to a lot of judges b/c the vast majority of them are women and Chan, a talented & good looking 19 year old teen who floats across the ice will impress them more than another man who can jump but otherwise boring to watch.
However, Chan got the scores he got b/c he deserved them and any positive impression is merely icing on the cake. Now that he can land Quad in competition, it will make him very difficult to beat.