10-31-2010, 10:06 AM
Oh, definitely. They deserved to win the long based on the missed element of the Russians, but should've been a 3-4 point win, not 7.
Originally Posted by pangtongfan
10-31-2010, 01:34 PM
I don't understand the "Agnes is slow" comments. She does not look any slower than Alissa, in fact I think she looks faster than her. And were Alissa's spins really better than Agnes'. I don't think so. She does needs experience, but I think her presence on the ice is very good, she has nice spins and flexibility and her jumps, when on, are some of the best. Who knows what happened at Skate Canada. She might have been feeling under the weather, her nerves got to her etc. But I think in the near future she could be a force.
Originally Posted by janetfan
10-31-2010, 01:56 PM
I have never seen Agnes live, but I have seen Alissa live, and Alissa is...well, to be charitable, not that fast. Being faster than Alissa (which, judging from YT, it looks like Agnes is) does not exactly put you anywhere near the category of Carolina Kostner. And I respectively agree with your statement that Alissa's spins were not better than Agnes.' Agnes may be a good spinner, but Alissa is an excellent spinner.
Originally Posted by cjsk8fan
To be honest, I think Agnes Z will be more of a force if she leaves Tom Z. He has given her great jumps, but Tom Z. is not known for giving his skates refinement/polish or speed.
10-31-2010, 03:17 PM
I just don't think Alissa and Agnes are really comparable, their skating styles are just so different. Alissa is a pretty princess, elegant, ballerina type skater whereas Agnes is more of an athletic, power-jumper type of skater. Alissa does better in slow programs whereas Agnes seems to do better with upbeat programs. In terms of their jumping abilities, Agnes is a better jumper hands down. In regards to spinning, Alissa is better but Agnes is still quite good. That being said, Agnes' style and body type don't seem to be suited to doing Alissa type programs, she does have long limbs but she has a very athletic body type and an athletic style of skating to go with it. Agnes will never be like a Sasha Cohen or Mao Asada type of skater. I think she has loads of potential, but is more similar to someone like Miki or Irina. Jumping is her strength but she can do everything else well too, although her skating is not as quintessentially beautiful as the pretty princess type skaters.
Originally Posted by evangeline
10-31-2010, 03:25 PM
I guess I must qualify my statement that Agnes' spins looked as good as Alissas'. In this competition I did not think Alissas' spins looked nearly as fast or centered as I have seen them previously. Thus, in this competition I think Agnes' were as good.
10-31-2010, 04:12 PM
Skating is art, if you let it be.
I don't think Alissa's spins were her best here, although I believe the problem is with the new rules for spins. Doing 8 revolutions in a single position gains you a Level. It's a bad rule that needs to go away (except for scratch spins, but in that case it should be 8+ revolutions of a scratch spin that counts as a feature, not 8+ revolutions counting for something extra). Some skaters are only changing position a total of twice in their Change-of-Foot combination spin and getting Level 4, which is pretty ridiculous ---> Camel spin, into a "difficult variation" sit spin held for 8+ rotations, and change foot into a "difficult variation" upright spin held for 8+ rotations. Reaaaallllly boring. A change-of-foot combination spin should be showcasing lots of different positions and Alissa is capable of them.
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10-31-2010, 04:26 PM