Most fans of skating who're more than once-every-four-years viewers have no problem accepting that there's a range of difficulty between the different jumps, and that difficulty should be rewarded. Just look at all the fights over Laura Lepisto. Why should non-jump elements be any different? If you take out the levels, what you get is a race to the bottom in terms of quality on those elements, where everyone does the bare minimum possible on the required elements, and no more, because doing better gets a skater very little reward for the effort.
It's a sport, for crying out loud. Objectively identifying and qualifying the elements a skater performs in a given program is probably the one innovation of COP that needs to stay in place. GOE could stand to be reworked, PCS badly needs an overhaul, but levels and the tech panel are wonderful. There was just as much choreographic mediocrity and moves done for the sake of satisfying the requirements under 6.0, and anyone who thinks otherwise is deluding themselves. The difference is that under 6.0, skaters have overall been forced to become better at those elements. People joke about how Evan won the Olympics on the strength of his spins, and you know what? It's true, and that's actually a good thing for the sport. Take that away, and you do not get a field of Yagudins, you get a field of Stojko clones, with one or two Yagudins in the mix. Same as it's ever been.
^ I see it more in terms of Angela Nikodinov's classic 6.0 style layback vs. Sasha Cohen's I-spin. To me, Nikodinov's spin is far and away more beautiful because of its simplicity and purity. Cohen's spin is sheerly done to earn points because flexibility is viewed as difficult and a way to gain high levels in COP, but I don't find that spin beautiful at all. It's just plain ugly . . . the shoot the beaver spin should be banned permanently. I love what COP did for footwork sequences, but I abhor what it did to spins and spirals.
Last edited by museksk8r; 11-04-2010 at 09:54 PM.
When I watch videos under the 6.0 era, I see skaters holding their spins for 3 slow revolutions and then ending them. Or the 1 second spiral. Or the really easy footwork.
There's simple and elegant, and then there's simple because you have no incentive and get no reward for making it any better. We saw too much of the second under 6.0.
If two skaters do a layback that's as pretty as Angela Nikodinov's, but one gets it centered faster, and then does change of foot and changes spinning direction at the same time, she should get more points for it. That's what you're taking away when you take away levels.
It's not a beauty contest. It's a skating contest.
At least we can say this, that Lambiel himself is a poster child for his point of view. His 6.0 spins were astonishing. When he tried to adapt them to CoP requirements they lost their one-of-a-kind splendor.
Pretty much all of Lambiel's significant victories came under some variant of COP, though, so I'm not sure how true that is. I don't think if 6.0 had stayed in place, that he would have had the same degree of success. I think Joubert would have done much better, and Lambiel considerably worse. His spins might have been better, but I don't think he would have been rewarded for them (or his footwork) in the same way.
Anyway, the debate is too limited to 6.0 vs CoP. What people should be talking about is how CoP needs to be improved. There needs to be more freedom, certainly. Look at how Lambiel and Shizuka, and pretty much any other top skater, is overwhelmingly in favor. And look at how Lambiel and Shizuka laugh at their own idea when they say "maybe we should tell the ISU and get it fixed." It's seriously disgraceful how sluggish the ISU is with responding and adapting. Even two of the most renowned skaters out there know they don't have much sway over influencing the awful leadership within ISU.
True, but harder is not necessarily more beautiful.Well-executed skating, blades-on-ice skating, is beautiful.
I think one of the problems is that only skating experts can actually see things like changes of edges during spins, or can tell the difference between a Mohawk and a Choctaw. (GKelly once posted a "you be the judge" video about footwork, challenging us to identify as many steps and turns as we could. I got one right out of thirteen -- a twizzle. )
So what is beautiful to an expert is way over the head of 99 per cent of the audience.
Last edited by Mathman; 11-04-2010 at 11:05 PM.
Well as for the change of edges, I can point out that Moskvina's husband asked what change of edges traditionally have to do with spinning. I remember Lambiel's fast well centered spins were breathtaking under 6.0.
They can easily reward spins, by having the judges grant points to the spins, with guidelines. Than the judges could look at beauty and difficulty. But also allowing frankly for at least more originality in the spins. We don't see a lot of original moves now.
Also I was thinking earlier about how new technical stuff isn't done anymore. What if a guy could do something like a four jump combo, but we will never see it.