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Why can't it?
I was trying to give the judges and/or the CoP the benefit of the doubt. But have it your way - ineffective judges working a flawed system equals disappointing results at Skate Canada.
Why can't it?
I was trying to give the judges and/or the CoP the benefit of the doubt. But have it your way - ineffective judges working a flawed system equals disappointing results at Skate Canada.
About partial credit for falling on a quad, I think I have found the correct sister-sport analogy -- trapeze.
The flier completed four somersaults in the air, before falling fifty feet to his death. (He got silver posthumously.)
Well, 2 years ago the value of triple axels and quads were raised a little from what they had been earlier, and also the value of negative GOEs for those elements was increased, so that successful quads in 2009 were worth more than they had been, but unsuccessful quads were not.
Absolutely correct. The ISU and its Federations need money to run these extravaganzas. A real tech competition will not sell to the public. The fans want their artsy craft with music. In the phase competition where Tech is supposed to be the most important, the elements are selected by a Committee and they are limited. They are rightfully judged by values but they do not cover the scope of the individual possibilities of displaying their Tech. Yet the Performance is Also judged and in many cases overrides the point of it being a Tech Competition.I don't think that would draw the same TV audience that the current SP would, sadly, and that means it will never happen. Unfortunately, under the reign of Cinquanta, it seems like the most important factor in how skating is structured and scored is how it's going to affect the ISU's bottom line. Maybe we'd see something like this in the smaller internationals, but I can't ever see it happening for the GPF, Worlds, or Europeans.
My take on ART would be that I would rather listen to great serious music in its entirey than the abridged versions of figure skating. However, I do enjoy the occasional skater who displays some artistry in an LP. Laura Lepisto has that quality, and even Patrick if he can just not fall.
You got it, Hurrah. In ballet some say so-and-so has the best white swan. Some say what's-her-name has the best black swan. But which dancer has both?But then, I guess artistry is subjective.
About partial credit for falling on a quad, I think I have found the correct sister-sport analogy -- trapeze.
The flier completed four somersaults in the air, before falling fifty feet to his death. (He got silver posthumously.)
Is this a true story??
I'm of the same opinion as Stephane. The idea of attaining the highest levels (4 on all elements) is mainly what has stripped figure skating of its freedom and beauty. It has forced the skaters to compromise quality for quantity, which is a real shame. COP would allow skaters more time to breathe and express their programs choreographically if they were not having to try and achieve a level 4 on everything. I vote to do away with the levels component of COP. BTW, these 2 are just so precious . . . I so love both Stephane and Shizuka, two beautiful and admirable ambassadors of this sport!
^ I see it more in terms of Angela Nikodinov's classic 6.0 style layback vs. Sasha Cohen's I-spin. To me, Nikodinov's spin is far and away more beautiful because of its simplicity and purity. Cohen's spin is sheerly done to earn points because flexibility is viewed as difficult and a way to gain high levels in COP, but I don't find that spin beautiful at all. It's just plain ugly . . . the shoot the beaver spin should be banned permanently.
It's not a beauty contest. It's a skating contest.
If you take the beauty out of skating, then it becomes very boring.
If you don't find the actual sport of skating beautiful in and of itself (ignoring all the post-figures jumping beans who could not actually skate), why are you watching in the first place? There are beauty contests, there are pure forms of dance, etc etc. Well-executed skating, blades-on-ice skating, is beautiful.