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Yuna, Granny (Sebestyen)
Honorable Mention: Agnes Z., Elene G.
Honorable Mention: Agnes Z., Elene G.
The reason the boys are doing a short setup is that they are sometimes choosing to do the lutz out of steps in the SP. Having a long glide gets you dinged for not being "out of steps."
Most people would not deliberately waste time learning two different entries to the same jump if they didn't have to.
The reason the boys are doing a short setup is that they are sometimes choosing to do the lutz out of steps in the SP. Having a long glide gets you dinged for not being "out of steps." Most people would not deliberately waste time learning two different entries to the same jump if they didn't have to. However, it's a fact that originally, the long glide was felt to be a requirement for a good lutz. That would be why Boitano used one, not because he couldn't do it the other way. Same for Tonya, who was in the same era.
The first guy I remember using lots of little steps into a lutz was Tim Goebel, and he did it to disguise that his outside edge on the lutz was not the strongest. And it's still being used that way today. If fact, if I had a persistent flutzing girl, I' might suggest the same thing to her.
There is nothing that shows a weak lutz edge like wiggling back and forth on it on a long glide.
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So shall we look at some other examples from the boys?
Short setup from steps: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZRhzcpyQ98
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Regards the triple lutz jump itself, I'm a traditionalist when it comes to this jump, and by that I mean I favor the long gliding edge going into it, which used to be the norm until this past decade when those that couldn't hold the proper edge shortened it, so now it makes it hard to distinguish at times from the triple flip. Big no-no from me. Bring back the loooong gliding edge, please, thank you.
I agree. Apart from the short take-off being a way of disguising a flutz or a weak edge, as Doris Pulaski pointed out, the aesthetics of the long glide are far more preferable most of the time, because it allows the unique entry and exit curves of the lutz to really stand out. That reverse "S" curve is one of the prettiest things in skating to me, and it's sad that even technically correct lutzes these days mostly just look like they're jumped in a traditional circle. It takes one of the more visually unique jumps, in terms of creating an interesting pattern of movement on the ice, and turns it into just another boring ugly toe jump. Ho-hum. Most of the time, the "footwork" preceding it isn't interesting or complicated enough to be worth the loss.
Here is an example of a loooong glide into a triple lutz.
I don't see much to like about it...... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...... (she lands one and misses the second).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVxfYrcbzmA&feature=related
I tried to find that program on Youtube, but it seems not be there. But I do remember watching it before and it was great.
No, Michelle most certainly could not fall 3 times and win. Thankfully she has NEVER fallen 3 times in a competition, let alone a single performance. Those rankings are ridiculous. There is no doubt that Kwan was #1. I'm not sure why you are talking about falls when Kwan didn't even make a mistake in her performance. Her speed, edges, fluidity, expression, choreography, interpretation, spirals, and footwork were well beyond Ye-Bin Mok's. Anne Patrice McDonough and Jennifer Kirk over Michelle Kwan? LOL!!!!!!
Speed? MK is slower than Caroline Zhang at times, and in COP MK would be downgraded for her flagrant flutz (even worse than Sasha's), slow spins with uncreative positions, and recycling of the same choreography which makes her programs some of the most boring in recent memory. I did an objective COP calculation and Yebin's SP score comes out to around 68-69, Kwan to around 45-46.