Best Triple Lutz by a woman?

[museksk8r]

I like Mao’s.

I am glad she’s now cut the correction crap and getting back her good old lutz.

[ks777]

Tonya Harding wins hands down for me personally. I also consider her the greatest jumper in the history of women's f.s., heck even better than the men's, truth be told.

That said, Oksana Baiul's 3L was truly a thing of beauty when on (yeah I know it was rarely on, but when she did hit it, watch out, world!). Unfortunately I am having problems with youtube right now, so am unable to find her 2000 Goodwill Games FS to "Dove L'Amore" by Cher. But this is what Peter Carruthers had to say about it at the time:

"One of the most incredible triple lutzes I've ever seen! That's bigger than Brian Boitano's...that was H-U-G-E!"


Regards the triple lutz jump itself, I'm a traditionalist when it comes to this jump, and by that I mean I favor the long gliding edge going into it, which used to be the norm until this past decade when those that couldn't hold the proper edge shortened it, so now it makes it hard to distinguish at times from the triple flip. Big no-no from me. Bring back the loooong gliding edge, please, thank you.

For me, the quality of Tonya's jumps weren't that great. Her jumps were tilted most of the time in the air and she never had beautiful soft landing.

[ks777]

I like Mao’s.

I am glad she’s now cut the correction crap and getting back her good old lutz.

Her lutz is better than the thing of her latest invention, the sal-loop, by a mile!

you joking right?

[krenseby]

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That said, Oksana Baiul's 3L was truly a thing of beauty when on (yeah I know it was rarely on, but when she did hit it, watch out, world!). Unfortunately I am having problems with youtube right now, so am unable to find her 2000 Goodwill Games FS to "Dove L'Amore" by Cher. But this is what Peter Carruthers had to say about it at the time:

"One of the most incredible triple lutzes I've ever seen! That's bigger than Brian Boitano's...that was H-U-G-E!"

I tried to find that program on Youtube, but it seems not be there. But I do remember watching it before and it was great.

[treeloving]

Yes, it is great. But it's not like it was a regular occurence - the way it is with Yuna.
Wondering about the long entry - I like Yuna's steps into a much, much shorter entry.

I agree that Yuna has better jump entrance and more consistency with Lutz, but for one jump alone I have to say that even with out difficult entry,I love harding's jump on the link.

[silverlake22]

Yuna, Granny (Sebestyen)

Honorable Mention: Agnes Z., Elene G.

[ever]

What is the best lutz? it does not matter who likes whoes jump.

[Spun Silver]

Great thread - wonderful clips. Midori wins in my book but they're all impressive.

[ks777]

Nancy had a good lutz too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5v6qw...eature=related

Malinina
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeEg4ab7Wu0

[Spun Silver]

Slutskaya is not bad either (sorry for video quality) --
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqW0y...eature=related
and here she does it in combo w/3Lo but again quality sucks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SXO6s3MCDw

[gkelly]

Another beautiful lutz from a long setup: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLbk5...ext=1&index=44

And for a skater who was so inconsistent with that particular jump, Hubert's sure was nice when she hit it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2I9H-kjLU_Q

The reason the boys are doing a short setup is that they are sometimes choosing to do the lutz out of steps in the SP. Having a long glide gets you dinged for not being "out of steps."

So shall we look at some other examples from the boys?

Short setup from steps: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZRhzcpyQ98

Longer glide showing the edge exiting the one preceding difficult step, when the SP rules still allowed for that: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oziVC4CPnio

Most people would not deliberately waste time learning two different entries to the same jump if they didn't have to.

Unless they thought showing that variety would be worth something in itself, especially when repeating the lutz in the LP. Was that Kwan's motivation? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHsorCH-690

[taaak]

wow Tonyas lutz is huge !
and This one is very good: Elene G : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gb6jYITX6Zs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSobFLOJMaI



yuna, sebestyen and agnes have a great lutz too

[Krislite]

The reason the boys are doing a short setup is that they are sometimes choosing to do the lutz out of steps in the SP. Having a long glide gets you dinged for not being "out of steps." Most people would not deliberately waste time learning two different entries to the same jump if they didn't have to. However, it's a fact that originally, the long glide was felt to be a requirement for a good lutz. That would be why Boitano used one, not because he couldn't do it the other way. Same for Tonya, who was in the same era.

The first guy I remember using lots of little steps into a lutz was Tim Goebel, and he did it to disguise that his outside edge on the lutz was not the strongest. And it's still being used that way today. If fact, if I had a persistent flutzing girl, I' might suggest the same thing to her.

There is nothing that shows a weak lutz edge like wiggling back and forth on it on a long glide.

Interesting. Well, not all skaters who use this shorter left-foot glide technique are flutzers. A lot of them have a pretty good lutz, actually, with a strong consistent outside edge. And gkelly pointed out an example of this different shorter glide technique from a much earlier time period (Scott Davis) long before Tim Goebel:

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So shall we look at some other examples from the boys?

Short setup from steps: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZRhzcpyQ98

[...]

I think CoP may have had more to do with forcing this change than simply hiding a flutz. Just look at all the girls today who flutz, how many of them use this shorter glide technique (very few from what I have seen)? How many of them still get caught anyways? On the other hand, before CoP even Yu-na used the original long glide:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZorwawmGIwQ&t=0m18s

Although after CoP was implemented she was consistently using the other technique: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FmncaNGLOI&t=3m08s

This shorter set-up technique allows for steps before the jump, which most men and some women use to their advantage under CoP.

[doubleflutz]

Regards the triple lutz jump itself, I'm a traditionalist when it comes to this jump, and by that I mean I favor the long gliding edge going into it, which used to be the norm until this past decade when those that couldn't hold the proper edge shortened it, so now it makes it hard to distinguish at times from the triple flip. Big no-no from me. Bring back the loooong gliding edge, please, thank you.

I agree. Apart from the short take-off being a way of disguising a flutz or a weak edge, as Doris Pulaski pointed out, the aesthetics of the long glide are far more preferable most of the time, because it allows the unique entry and exit curves of the lutz to really stand out. That reverse "S" curve is one of the prettiest things in skating to me, and it's sad that even technically correct lutzes these days mostly just look like they're jumped in a traditional circle. It takes one of the more visually unique jumps, in terms of creating an interesting pattern of movement on the ice, and turns it into just another boring ugly toe jump. Ho-hum. Most of the time, the "footwork" preceding it isn't interesting or complicated enough to be worth the loss.

[TtonyV7]

Tatiana Malinina had the most beautiful Triple Lutz. Huge, great height and distance, and wonderful flow. Just look at all her comps in 99.

Sebestyen had a classic Triple Lutz as well, especially when she did real footwork sequence into it.

Anna Rechino had a nice Lutz to when landed.