11-06-2010, 09:19 PM
Is anyone really arguing that, though? For the long, the consensus seems to acknowledge that Kozuka deserved to beat Mroz (because of his spins, steps, jump GOE/extra jump in the bonus period, and deservedly superior PCS), but that Mroz deserved to beat Joubert and Verner on TES (because he landed all of his jumps, which were overall harder than both Verner and Joubert).
Originally Posted by janetfan
Questioning the UR calls on Joubert's 4T and Verner's 3A doesn't necessarily mean questioning their placements. I really don't like how <, <<, and e can be applied inconsistently, but I think the placements were still pretty fair. Joubert might have deserved bronze over Verner, but maybe not.
11-06-2010, 09:23 PM
I assume it was a half-loop sequence, because how else can you do a sal after a sal? The 3S+1Lo<< might mean the 3S part is downgraded?
Originally Posted by Mathman
11-06-2010, 10:38 PM
leave no stone unturned
11-06-2010, 10:55 PM
11-06-2010, 11:00 PM
Seriously, let the guy enjoy his life. This is not a patriotic duty, he's done enough for USA skating. And what is wrong if Japan takes the cake in men like in women? Right now is their turn.
Originally Posted by Nadine
11-06-2010, 11:02 PM
Joubert's new FS program actually comes across pretty well when you see it live. I would like to see what the judges do when he skates it cleanly and with conviction. He definitely needs to look at getting some additional levels and COP points on non-jump elements, and should be capable of tweaking this program and executing.
As for Joubert's FS 4T, I was there, and in real-time, I thought it looked underrotated. Mroz's 4T was clearly rotated. I find no conspiracy or reason to disagree with the way the final placements ended up. I thought it was close for bronze between Verner and Joubert, but last night, Verner--technically and performance-wise--worked his material somewhat better than Joubert did with his.
11-06-2010, 11:55 PM
Skating is art, if you let it be.
Joubert's Quad was underrotated but it should have received +GOE.
Mroz's Quad WAS underrotated in the SP as well and didn't get called. Funny you mentioned seeing a toe-axel, Joe, because Mroz does it on his Quad more than Joubert does.
I think Joubert is really challenging himself with these new programs. The choreography is perhaps the most detailed he has ever had. While that's good to see, he looks like he's trying to copy Lambiel in the SP and in the LP the music seems to overwhelm him a bit (although hopefully that can be worked out in time). I do think he got screwed over here. The issue with the spins is silly. His spins are not worse than most others'. But the awful rules demand that levels in spins is more important than GOE, so he got unfairly slammed there.
Mroz is soooo boring. Weak skating skills, little connection to the music, lacking expression, lacking speed, and small jumps. I suppose he did deserve the Silver for doing a clean program with a Quad and all the other highest difficulty jumps.
Joubert should have taken Bronze over Verner. I don't see much of value in Verner's program. Just some superficial poses that aren't all that cool and a really ineffective cut of music. I did like the second footwork sequence. But otherwise? Eh. Joubert's program has much more nuance and was also technically more difficult.
11-07-2010, 12:09 AM
I was sure that someone would tell me... But well, maybee I´m not willing to dicuss with people who still believe in fairness.
Originally Posted by Tonichelle
11-07-2010, 12:18 AM
Skating is art, if you let it be.
11-07-2010, 05:06 AM