thank you for interesting report
well i would have: rachael, kanako, joshi
thank you for interesting report
well i would have: rachael, kanako, joshi
Caroline is known to have quite a sweet tooth, even by "normal people" standards... But for all we know, she may be eating healthy lately & exercising plenty. She's quite tall, so that makes it extra hard to look petite as one matures. She's also just a teenager, and extra weight gain during the main puberty years is normal- she could slim down as she gets older. Also, since she has spent so much time reworking her jumps, it may have left her with less time to run through her programs and build up the stamina she needs to get through them, therefore enhancing the sluggish appearance.
Sure, maybe she could try to tone up more (one is never too toned), but I think the main issue is her awful technique was suitable for a little kid, not a Sr lady. There are some very tall and normal looking girls in skating who have decent spring to their jumps. Caroline is reworking technique now that should have been reworked when she was a younger. But better late than never!
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And I would be the last person to say Kanako combines the best of Yu-na and Mao, miki88. I hold those two skaters, along with Joannie, in a class of their own. Maybe Kanako has the potential to reach this stratosphere, but at the moment I don't see a single wow factor to her skating (although her 3T-3T is quite impressive & the girl herself very likable). It's just that every Japanese Kanako clip I've watched has some comparison to one of those girls. And it's not like hypes are necessarily rooted in facts.
Something has improved in Rachael's skating. Can't point my finger at it, but I find her flaws less distracting now. Maybe improved presence on ice? Too bad for the UR & the bad PCS. She was not wronged in the TES. UR calls were numerous across the board. It's the PCS that doesn't really measure up. Can't see how she's behind Kanako on program components Then again, Kanako's charm doesn't really affect me.
And Andalusia, no worries. "Ethereal, elegant, refined" Mao is on the team no matter what because she's the reigning world champion (fed recommendation), the media favorite and a fighter, who will get herself together in time for Nationals. Akiko's probably the one out, unless she tops Kanako at Nationals by a significant margin. What a shame.
dlgpffps, sorry for misunderstanding you. I did think it was weird you would make that statement, since I remembered you said you were sort of a skating purist.
I like Kanako and I don't think her perkiness is fake because she's like that off ice too. However, I do find her programs and especially her costumes to be juniorish. Her SP dress is so distracting. She will eventually need to develop another style other than perky because the judges will be expecting more from her. I do get her win here though because the judges haven't been digging Rachel's style for a while now. If Costner even managed to skate relatively clean, she'd have it but I knew she could't be consistent for long.
ETA: This just hit me. Kanako and Sui (from the baby chinese pairs) are really similar. They're both all smiles and seeming to skate on a sugar overload.
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Rippon starts the season with a win at the JO and his success is criticized and his skating viciously attacked.
Welcome Kanako - you have arrived and are now viewed as a threat by many who are fans of other skaters.
How shocking that this "horrible" Kanako has now medaled and won at her first two Sr GP events - and made the GPF.
If Kanako is so flawed - then what does it say about the Ladies she is beating
The claws are out and the jealousy is rampant. Her looks have been attacked by some which is a price one pays for having such supreme cuteness and the best smile since Janet.
Soon a poster will threaten to never watch again if you win another medal this season but I would rather they leave and wish you continued success.
Good luck at the GPF and at Natls Kanako. For once I agree with NBC - you are a breath of fresh air and a welcome addition to senior skating.
gold + gold
gold + silver
gold + bronze
silver + silver ... ( Rachael )
gold + 4th
silver + bronze
So basically, if each of the 6 events has a different winner, and each winner makes the podium in her other event, Rachael is out. Rachael outranks all other girls who don't have a gold. However, if another girl has 2 silvers, and her higher score is more than Rachael's, then she would outrank Rachael.
With that said, somebody posted a note about a ( possibly ) dishonest Japanese technical caller. We thought that was pretty funny at the time.
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Except FlattFan is incorrect. Flatt's 3Lz+2T got downgraded to a 3Lz<+2T. It was obvious on the replay; one of the commentators on NBC pointed it out. Kanako did not get any positive GOE for her flutz. If the technical caller is so biased, then why did Kanako get downgrades as well?
I for one agree with Janetfan. I think Kanako is wonderful. Sure she has her flaws, but her charisma, speed and energy on the ice are an absolute joy to watch and something that the other ladies here were lacking. I have no problems with the judging at this competition overall.
I don't understand the wuzrobbing for Joshi. She landed her jumps, but her basics are not great, she has very little choreography and her spins need a lot of work.
She looks amazing in this field, but there are greater skaters out there. That's all. In a Tokyo Worlds with a revamped Mao, lutzing and looping Miki, rejuvenated Joannie, trained and polished Mirai, and the heavenly Queen Yu-na, I don't see her getting that far. She said it herself, "I don't compete with Mao. She skates in heaven, and I skate on earth" (very sweet & humble of her, given Mao's current conditon). I do, however, see a possible GPF gold for her, given several injuries and absences. I wish her the best, but I really don't get the big fuss. Her junior performances were better.
Also, you have missed several great smiles between Janet and Kanako, such as this one here
Also, can someone help me find Kanako's 2009 JGPF SP? I really like that performance, but can't find in on Youtube.
As I said on another thread, Kanako has energy, but it's uncontrolled energy. Her SP was a great example of this. I'm sorry, but as nice as it was to see one of these ladies finally give off a sense of being alive, that was not great skating. I have no doubt that she'll learn to channel that energy appropriately as she ages, but she's not there yet.
I have been one of Flatt's biggest critics, and my overall opinion of her hasn't changed, but even I have to admit that she deserved the gold here. Her marks in PCS were too low for what she displayed.
But this was a weak Skate America for the ladies overall. Not a single one of them came close to the brilliance of some of the top female skaters.
I was mocking a bit and my post was not so serious.
Many great smiles before and after Janet and what I wrote was noting a few of the comments like "I hate her cutesey program."
We all have different taste and thank goodness we see variety from skaters.
BTW, portions of both of Rachael's programs are playing off the "cutesy" image as did her SP from last season. Is it so bad for skaters to do what they feel most comfortable with?
Some might not see it this way but Kanako's SP - the way it is presented is pretty good representation of some of the swing dancing from the 40's when the world was at war and "over the top" did not exist. It was about getting wild and silly and Kanako pulls off that feeling of abandonment pretty well. Some might not like it but the judges don't seem to mind
As to Kanako being over her head at Worlds? I have no idea if she will make the Japanese World team. But there is 4CC and WTT later this season so she will get her chances.
Sometimes I don't like to see such young skaters appearing at so many events in a season.
Has Kanako already done JO, two GP's , next the GPF followed by Natls. Then 4CC, World and WTT? That is too much for a young skater and maybe too much for more experienced skaters IMO.
Anyways, from postings in this thread, I believe all these snarky comments about her, as well as accusing the Japanese tech caller as being dishonest, etc. etc. goes to prove that Kanako has just made it big time!