I have a question regarding Tomas Verner: In China, he did 3F-3T and 3Lz, and he got an edge call on his 3F. I thought that in Russia he did 3Lz-3T and 3F as a solo jump, to avoid getting negative GOE on the combination, but other posts said he did 3F-3T.So, it was a 3F-3T or a 3Lz-3T?
If it's the former, I agree with you that the system could use some tweaks. But if it's the latter, you cannot just accuse them of improper behaviour simply because you think so, even though we all know this sport's shady history. Innocent until proven guilty. Why people like to doubt professionally trained judges who can watch and judge programmes live is a bit beyond me. We are only armchair judges after all!
I am not a Chan-bot, I much prefer Jeremy! I'm just trying to say that we should give the judges the benefit of the doubt rather than accuse them of unfair bias without any legitimate reason.
Here is Chan's SP at this event.
I haven't seen any other's SP yet. But I have a feeling that Chan was rightfully placed first. I can see his skating's purity here.
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I want to see Chan land a 3A in a short this season! He will have the GPF and Canadian Nationals and Worlds. He wouldn't go to 4CC because of worlds training I am sure. His quad/triple was great but I would just like to see him land that 3A in a short now.
Good for Gachinsky getting better by doing a quad double rather than going for the quad triple which even when he did wasn't great.
Missed today's SP. Chan in first? Hopefully he deserved his marks this time. Will watch it in a bit and decide.
Here is Abbott's SP.
Wow! Much better than in NHK. The spin before straightline footwork slowed down too soon. That was a bit weird.
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Trewyn, when Plushenko fell at SLC, he was still ranked fourth. He fell on a combo jump, so didn't complete a combo either (bigger error than falling on a solo jump), and the calibre at the Olympics is by definition going to be higher than at a GP event (so conceivably, Plushenko could've been top two at a GP event - if Chan had fallen on his combo quad and not completed the combo, he would've been second here). So I don't know how much this is true. I personally would rather see a fall on a triple axel than a popped Axel (to single, not double), for comparison.
Let me know which of the pro-Chan crowd have made comments that are comparable.
Just watched top three's performances. Loved them. They all skated well! I am a Jeremy fan and I wish he won. However, Chan's program was great except 3A.
As I like Chan's skating too, I am a little worried about his struggling 3A. Has he succeeded one this season? Don't think so.
IMO, PCS is getting more important this season in the order and I don't like it. Takahashi and Chan come to mind; two skaters who get the highest PCS even when they do not skate their best.
Takahashi (at SA) : SP tes 35.69, pcs 42.43 / LP(1 fall, -1) tes 64.95, pcs 85.00
Chan (at SC) : SP(3 falls, -3) tes 36.73, pcs 39.47 / LP(1 fall, -1) tes 83.18, pcs 84.14
To be honest, I have more problem with Takahashi's PCS than with Chan's because of the BIG difference of TES and PCS especially in LP at SA.
Don't get me wrong... Takahashi(and Chan) deserve high PCS but the judges really had to give Takahashi 6+ more points than Oda that night? Well, 3 or 4 points would have been more reasonable.
And this time
Chan : (1 fall, -1) tes 42.54, pcs 40.42
Abbott : tes 39.07, pcs 38.54
Well, at least Chan's TES is higher than PCS.
GO Jeremy! Rock in the LP! (hope Chan will succeed in 3A, too)
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Abbott will have a quad in LP. If Abbott lands a quad and Chan lands one too but falls on 3A, that'll be interesting. Can't wait to see the LP show down.
Back to SP. I hate Chan's SP openning moves, too much like Elvis Stojko. The choreograph itself was so so, nothing special but his strokes, spins, and 4t-3t, even 3f were really extraordinary. Without the 3A fall, it was perfect. Jeremy's SP still hasn't skated to its potential but much focused and prompted this time. It's so difficult. I imagine that it could make one dizzy on those head turns and postures, yet he has to do all those transitions and spins and jumps and he did so well.
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