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    Quote Originally Posted by evangeline View Post
    81.96
    Hmmm.

    Well, well, well...what a surprise. I wonder how much this program will score if skated clean.
    That was what I always thought about Jeff Buttle.
    How much his program would score if he skated clean.
    and it turned out he was a world champion when he skated both programs clean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallylutz View Post
    And the basis of your esteem opinion is based on what exactly? Did anyone else land a 4t+3t today?
    Did any of the other men in the top 3 fall on their *** today? Nah, didn't think so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trewyn View Post
    His PCS was too low I think; that was a real fun program!
    Perhaps Fernandez suffers from an unfavourable comparison to Daisuke Takahashi's SP, which uses the same music (especially since Daisuke arguably has the upper hand in IN, CH and PE at least)....

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    I do not question Chan's TES, but his PCS, especially Performance score. He had a fall, Tomas and Jeremy skated clean and both had gorgeous performances

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissIzzy View Post
    Or maybe the Russians have swapped a deal; gold medals for Chan now, gold medals for Gachinski later?

    Or maybe, just maybe, all this moaning and groaning about how necessary the quad is has caused the value to be pushed up so high now the guy who does it wins even when his falls on his triple axel? Ooops.
    Naah, that suggests they don't mind if Chan doesn't get gold at Sochi. Which they want. Maybe they're satisfied with V/M's dance gold at home and want the Russians to have the same experience in Sochi with B/S, I/K, K/A or the eventual number one and/or best Russian team at the time? Or maybe it's the ladies they want to assure gold - do they even have a gold medal (OGM) winning ladies skater? Doing that at home would be special indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallylutz View Post
    And the basis of your esteem opinion is based on what exactly? Did anyone else land a 4t+3t today?
    I know you weren't speaking to me, and I am no expert. I think I am just of the school that, quads are awesome, but triple axels are quite the glorious jump,too- and I think that, for me, Chan's lack of consistency in them makes his programs lack seamlessness, and make it hard for me to justify his scores frequently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImaginaryPogue View Post
    You've gotta wonder, if he's scored that high everywhere, maybe it's not the every single judge on the planet is wrong but that the rules are condusive to said score. Just a thought.

    Or else it's the hometown bonus, Canadian-mafia-led massive corruption that's infiltrated the Russian Federation. <Insert mustache twirling, evil laughter villain here>
    Here is another really crazy thought, is it possible he simply outskated everyone else in terms of technical difficulty? 4t+3t would score even higher under 6.0 than it is under CoP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by museksk8r View Post
    Did any of the other men in the top 3 fall on their *** today? Nah, didn't think so.
    Which portions of the PCS according to the rules do you feel were hurt by the fall and should have lowered his score?

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    Quote Originally Posted by evangeline View Post
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    Hmmm.

    Well, well, well...what a surprise. I wonder how much this program will score if skated clean.
    There is something we are missing here, the judges seem to be over the top with his scores, but they are very consistent in thgeir lovefest. I have to figure out what is exactly they are seeing and we don't?
    I need to get to the bottom of this so I feel less embarrassed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallylutz View Post
    Here is another really crazy thought, is it possible he simply outskated everyone else in terms of technical difficulty? 4t+3t would score even higher under 6.0 than it is under CoP.
    I was being sarcastic, just so we're clear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirunna View Post
    I do not question Chan's TES, but his PCS, especially Performance score. He had a fall, Tomas and Jeremy skated clean and both had gorgeous performances
    Don't forget...haven't we skating plebs been told that TR, PE, CH and IN are somehow all tied to SS?

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    Chan's combo and 3rd jump were wonderful, but the fall on the 3A???

    This is where I have a big problem with taking off only -1.00 for a fall. The fall deduction should be much more severe and particularly in the short program. And no way is Chan's PCS that much better than someone like an Abbott. Overscored, as usual. Chan will win this even if he falls 5 times in the free.

    I have no idea if there's a worldwide pro-Chan conspiracy in judging, but I think I'm definitely seeing a herd mentality on the PCS side. Doesn't mean the herd (lemmings?) always get it right.

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    well - it´s not only the components this time.
    he got way the highest TES and at the GOE is mostly no cheating possible. I guess the combo got some big +
    looking forward seeing the details - and some vids anyone?
    hate that every feed is blocked for me

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    But then again a fall would kill you under 6.0. I think it's ridiculous how much credit skaters still get for jumps with falls. Yes the axel was rotated. But I for one don't care how many rotations you manage in the air when you don't manage to stay on your feet. But hey. It's just my opinion. Chan had a good program; I don't agree with the score but that program was definitely top 3 material.

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    Quote Originally Posted by euroskate View Post
    he got way the highest TES and at the GOE is mostly no cheating possible. I guess the combo got some big +
    looking forward seeing the details - and some vids anyone?
    GOE padding/cheating is definitely possible....I'm not saying that it has happened here, but it is possible. When it comes to GOEs, TES can just be as subjective as PCS.

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