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Thread: Cup of Russia FD Preview and Virtual Program, Sat. Nov. 20; 12:40 PM EST

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    I feel sorry for Gorshkova and Butikov. They are going to have to realize for themselves that their coach does not know best when it comes to giving them programs. Their programs this year are from the archives-- and not in a good way. Really dated and doesn't show anything engaging about their personalities. Their coach and choreographer looks non-plussed too. Like they just don't get it. What a shame since this team is very technically proficient and could be a decent on the podium at internationals team.

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    Since the Italian withdrew, will the Shibs and C/Z have higher chance to go GPF??

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    nice skate from bobrova/soleviev

    should be Bobrva/Soliviev--sorry about spelling of names for 1st
    Hoffman/Zavozim for 2nd
    Elina/Nikita for third.-i apologize again for no spelling of last names. I would totally blow it.
    Gorshkova/Butikov-skates okay-but for some reason they don't enthuse me. sorry.
    Gorshkova/Butikov

    congrats to all medalist-and all who particpated

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    I'm about the post about that in the ice dance prospect thread. Just waiting for Bobrova & Soloviev to be confirmed as the winners here...C&Z have a very good chance.

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    Pl. Name Nation TSS
    = TES
    + PCS
    + SS TR PE CC IT Ded.
    - StN.
    1 Ekaterina BOBROVA / Dmitri SOLOVIEV RUS 93.53 46.93 46.60 7.71 7.50 7.93 7.86 8.04 0.00 #8
    2 Elena ILINYKH / Nikita KATSALAPOV RUS 85.65 45.19 40.46 6.89 6.32 7.00 6.93 6.86 0.00 #3
    3 Nora HOFFMANN / Maxim ZAVOZIN HUN 84.85 42.36 42.49 7.07 6.86 7.21 7.18 7.25 0.00 #6
    4 Kristina GORSHKOVA / Vitali BUTIKOV RUS 75.50 37.36 38.14 6.36 6.21 6.39 6.54 6.39 0.00 #5
    5 Lucie MYSLIVECKOVA / Matej NOVAK CZE 75.25 38.36 36.89 6.18 5.93 6.32 6.14 6.32 0.00 #2
    WDR Alexandra PAUL / Mitchell ISLAM CAN #1
    WDR Federica FAIELLA / Massimo SCALI ITA #7
    WDR Madison HUBBELL / Keiffer HUBBELL USA #4

    Lucie MYSLIVECKOVA / Matej NOVAK CZE World Standing 20th

    FD Let My People Go; Money; Jessica Rabbit (You Oughtta Do Right); Venus
    NHK 6th in the FD; 69.97
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QAaQj2rcNk

    1 Circular Step Level
    2 Sequential Twizzle Level
    3 Curve Lift Level 4
    4 MiSt2
    5 Curve Lift Level Rotational Lift Level
    6 Combination Spin Level
    7 Rotational Lift Level

    I came in in the middle of this, but it looked more mistake
    free than they usually are, even the twizzles, which were a bit hectic but
    done.
    75.25 NEW SB
    Overall 123.70

    Elena ILINYKH / Nikita KATSALAPOV RUS World Standing 26th
    Coach: Alexander Zhulin, Oleg Volkov
    Choreographer: Liudmila Vlasova
    SD at Cup of Russia 49.14 with one deduction for a fall.

    NHK, 4th in the FD; 78.16
    1 Curve Lift Level 4slight leg line match issues
    2 Sequential Twizzle Level 4 slight sync issue
    3 Circular Step Level 3 a little slow and careful
    4 Rotational Lift Level 3 maybe not great-is this one of the old ones?
    transitional pose with a split
    5 Rotational Lift Level 4 This was nice Is it now a combo lift?
    6 Straight Line Lift Level 2
    7 Diagonal Step Level 2 in hold
    8 Combination Spin Level3 a spec of trouble getting to pose
    9 Transitional Lift
    Ballet pose
    Much better than at NHK, I think
    The music is kind of all on one level
    Tes 49.14
    pcs 40.46
    Total 85.65 New SB
    134.79 total

    Madison HUBBELL / Keiffer HUBBELL USA World Standing 13th
    Coach: Anjelika Krylova, Pasquale Camerlengo
    Choreographer: Anjelika Krylova, Pasquale Camerlengo

    Withdrew




    WARMUP GROUP 2

    Kristina GORSHKOVA / Vitali BUTIKOV RUS World Standing 19th
    Coach: Elena Tchaikovskaia, Ksenia Rumiantseva
    Choreographer: Elena Tchaikovskaia
    SD at Cup of Russia 51.97

    FD Cha Cha by Santa Esmeralda; Manana de Carneval by Luis Miguel
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wc6VqABp_fQ
    Skate Canada 6th in the FD; 75.89
    Same dreadful costomes
    Cha cha
    1 Sequential Twizzle Level 4 three sets
    2 Rotational Lift Level 4 ho hum but well done
    3 Combination Spin Level4 not a great spin, slowed down a loit at the end
    4 Rotational Lift Level 4 another ho hum lift for the level
    In the rhuma
    5 Straight Line Lift Level4 look ma no hands
    no sex in this rhumba, gotta say it
    6 Circular Step Level 3 crawlingly slow, ragged
    7 Curve Lift Level 3 ok
    flamencoish stuff changed continents
    now I don't know what the music is supposed to be
    8 Diagonal Step Level 3 again slow
    9 Transitional Lift clumsy
    extra steps in cha cha mode
    10 Transitional Lift sort of a rio wrap lift
    About the same as Skate Canada- They deserve a better program than this
    TES 37.36
    PCS38.14
    Total 75.50
    SB, but they are beaten by I&K (into 4th)


    Nora HOFFMANN / Maxim ZAVOZIN HUN World Standing 16th
    Coach: Alexei Gorshkov, Sergei Petukhov
    Choreographer: Elena Garanina
    SD at Cup of Russia, 57.25, new SB, and a good skate by them. He dropped his foot early in the twizzle which lost them at least one level, but otherwise a good skate for them.

    FD Nagyidai Ciganok (Gypsy Witch) soundtrack by Experidance
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20JwWdsCQ9I
    4th in the FD at Cup of China; 78.13

    1 Spin Level 3 (not sure if the break was too mcuch could be lo
    2 Sequential Twizzle Level 4 three sets (You're kidding
    3 Circular Step Level screen freeze
    4 Rotational Lift Level 4 OK
    posing. he drags her up
    5 Curve Lift Level 3
    6 Straight Line Lift Level 4 this is a nice one!
    7 Rotational Lift Level 3 i think
    8 Midline Step Level screen freeze
    9 Transitional Lift

    What I could see of this I really like; better than CoC. Much tidier.. Pretty good applause too.
    Furthermore good audience response.
    TES
    PCS
    Total 84.85 SB!
    iNTO 1ST. They get at least silver!

    Federica FAIELLA / Massimo SCALI ITA World Standing 5th
    Coach: Natalia Linichuk, Paola Mezzadri, G. Karpanossov
    Choreographer: Corrado Giordani, Barbara Melica, Ludmila Vlasova
    SD at Cup of Russia, 57.65, new SB, but still a bit sloppy in execution. PCS scores higher than B&S.

    Withdrew

    Ekaterina BOBROVA / Dmitri SOLOVIEV RUS World Standing 17th

    FD Melody of the White Nights by Isaak Schwartz
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LnzRQKxmps
    2nd in the FD in Cup of China; 89.54

    Pretty people doing pretty stuff.

    1 Sequential Twizzle Level 4 problems with SYNCH IN the twizzles
    2 Curve Lift Level 4 didn't look curved??? GOE effect
    3 Circular Step Level 3 this was nice
    4 Straight Line Lift Level 4 so was this
    5 Combination Spin Level 4 this is slowing down...not great but gets the level
    6 Diagonal Step Level 3 running out of gas a bit?
    Screen freeze
    7 Rotational Lift Level screen still frozen
    8 Rotational Lift Level 3 ragged dismount, gets the level
    We are so in love pose to end
    That should nock the win for them, but I liked the Hungarians better.
    TES 46.93
    PCS 46.l60
    Total 93.53

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    Overall scoring

    FPl. Name Nation Points SD FD
    1 Ekaterina BOBROVA / Dmitri SOLOVIEV RUS 154.33 1 1
    2 Nora HOFFMANN / Maxim ZAVOZIN HUN 142.09 3 3
    3 Elena ILINYKH / Nikita KATSALAPOV RUS 134.79 6 2
    4 Kristina GORSHKOVA / Vitali BUTIKOV RUS 127.47 4 4
    5 Lucie MYSLIVECKOVA / Matej NOVAK CZE 123.70 7 5
    WD Federica FAIELLA / Massimo SCALI ITA 2

    Overall for GP
    D&W 30 pts
    Bobrova
    WD Madison HUBBELL / Keiffer HUBBELL USA 5
    WD Alexandra PAUL / Mitchell ISLAM CAN 8

    On the GP
    D&W with 30 points and a 1st place with 321.89
    Pechalat, I assume they win next week
    C&P with 28 points and a 1st place 303.5
    B&S with with 28 points, and a 1st place 299.72
    W&P with 22 points, a 2nd place & 283.91,
    H&Z with 22 points, a 2nd place & 272.91
    S&S with 22 points, a 3rd place & 281.74

    Pechalat already have a 1st place. Unless they have the contagious back problem or whatever it is from COR, they will have 30 points.

    For C&Z to make the GPF, they need to place 2nd at TEB, which would give them 24 points. Looks like W&P make the GPF, however TEB turns out. H&Z might, or C&Z might.
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    Doris, thanks for your math. The GP results have been very interesting this year.

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    duble post
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    Dance competoton have been crazy lately. D/W and C/P fell on skate america. F/S having skirt problem in china. I/K having a freej error on a lift...and now...3 team out.

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    Ah, but the Czech's crazy essay on how uplifting and change of tempo is not as good a thing as the ISU thinks was worth price of admission.

    Plus I like the gypsy dance of H&Z.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigsisjiejie View Post
    What happened to the Hubbells? Back pain also?
    Yep - looks like the back injury was contagious as all three couples complained of the same problem. Apparently Keiffer was the injured skater for the Americans. Altogether it was a very ho-hum event.

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    Just before the CBC FD broadcast, they had a Phone Interview w/Michael Slipchuk and it's not so much a back injury w/Alex, as it is a rib problem. Since the nerves affected are also linked to the back...The Medical Staff at CoR w/Team Canada felt it was better they w/d instead of making things worse. Smart move IMO.

    OMG...I've still got chills from the Russian Team. First FD of the Season to do that to me. They are simply beautiful to watch and I adore their knees. They don't look like they're skating so much as they're floating over the ice. W/out a doubt a team to keep an eye on and they have new fan in me as of today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    OMG...I've still got chills from the Russian Team. First FD of the Season to do that to me. They are simply beautiful to watch and I adore their knees. They don't look like they're skating so much as they're floating over the ice. W/out a doubt a team to keep an eye on and they have new fan in me as of today.
    you mean ILINYKH / KATSALAPOV? same here. i'm officially in love with this golden couple. it's the first time a team makes me think "please don't stop skating!" since Virtue/Moir's performances.
    She is really gorgeous, more beautiful than a real swan.

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    I really loved the changes ILINYKH / KATSALAPOV made to their FD! They sure worked hard since NHK. I don't understand their lower PCS score here that in Japan(well in the SD, it's quite obvious, but in the FD?). Maybe I am subjective because I find them immensely talented. But come on, only 2 points higher then GORSHKOVA/BUTIKOV? I like BOBROVA / SOLOVIEV but I'm afraid that they are now established as Russia's nr 1 and ILINYKH / KATSALAPOV will have to wait for their turn

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    Yes, I think that's true, that B&S are now ensconced as Russia #1-after, a silver, a gold, and a trip to the GPF, vs a 4th and a bronze behind the Hungarians. This was not the summer for I/K to take time off--or if they were going to do so, they should have stayed in Juniors and won another championship there. It is easy to forget that they are 16 and 19 only.

    I'm assuming their PCS are a bit low due to slightly lower speed than H/Z and B/S? Their edges are nice, but when they go to get high levels in step sequences, they seemed to me to slow down a bit. That's usually how that works-and it is the typical problem that top juniors have coming to seniors in dance. In juniors you can skate slower, get Level 4's and win. In seniors, you have to go faster, and something always is lost the first year or two-either the speed, or the unison of legline, or the levels on the skills.

    It does not help that they had such a disruptive fall in the SD, the problem being not so much the fall, but the long time it took them to get reorganized after it. Sometimes marks seem to go down a bit in the PCS in consequence, although that should not be so.

    It is ironic that of the 3 top teams coming up from juniors this year that the Shibutanis scored the best (vs I&K and Paul & Islam), when they were only 4th last year at Jr Worlds. However, Maia growing 3 inches this summer really helped their look on the ice.
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