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Ladies - Short Program- Fri. Nov. 26: 12:45 pm EST

oleada

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Has Kiira ever done a clean long program that included all her planned triples?

I'm also a little :scratch: on why Mirai's score was a bit low.

Phaneuf also.

Phaneuf's 3Lz had a hand down and was downgraded to a double and her combination was only a 3T+2T.

I would be shocked if Mirai's 3F didn't get the < call.
 

gold12345

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I like where Mirai stands... She seems to get too nervous being in 1st, at least so far in her career, so 2nd may be helpful. Korpi will do her usual popping of jumps, so the door will be open.

I think Asada should stop doing 3As in the short, at least until she gets her flip/lutz issues squared away. Between the mental hurdle of the 3A and the uncertainty of the technique of several other jumps, she appears to be a wreck. When are Japanese Nationals? Hopefully she has enough time before then to at least get some of her jumps comfortable. If not, she'll have a nice long offseason to get things settled.
 

Layfan

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Ah, so the question is....will TEB be the time that Kiira manages to pull it off? Personally, I tend to doubt it.

Course, I doubt it too. But this field is so iffy and unpredictable so it's a question of which iffy and unpredictable skater won't be iffy tomorrow. Could be Kiira. :)

And she has one of the few 3-3s...
 

dlgpffps

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Regards Mao, I'm just po'ed at all the rule changes throughout the years that have affected Mao negatively (same goes for Kimmie Meissner as well). Now she tries to perfect her jumps when it isn't all that necessary, but I don't blame her, like I've said numerous times before I wouldn't be surprised to see the ISU blindside Mao again.

Mao forsook a full aresnal of triples and huge GOE during the season she needed them most, although the established rules made the advantage obvious. She was about to fix her flutz (didn't get a call on her lutz at Worlds 09) & claimed the 3S was an easy jump she avoids as a matter of preference. Their omission, then, must have been guided by her own will, not ISU slamming new rules into her face from behind. GOE was always what it was. No rule changes up till 2010. It's just that her jumps lost the quality & consistency to garner huge points. Edge calls and UR? I wouldn't say Mao was "blindsided" since other skaters knew early enough to start fixing their technique during the off season before 07-08, something Mao opted out of. Again, a matter of choice.

I also don't see how Mao bombing because she tried to bite more than she could chew a single season is related to ISU's rule changes since the new rules would reward her 3A-centric layout handsomely. The rule changes give little incentive to go for a spectacular 3S instead of a lousy 3A.

Mao was never cheated by the ISU. She's making all these sudden changes because her goal is Sochi gold & the Russian phenoms are growing to be heavy, 7-triple, GOE-garnering threats (and there's so much talent that at least one will break through). This season will be difficult, but it's something she's enduring because she has a clear goal & the determination to push through. Enough with all this ISU-attacking-innocent-skaters prattle. It really annoys me (those stupid Youtube clips :disapp:)
 

dlgpffps

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I like where Mirai stands... She seems to get too nervous being in 1st, at least so far in her career, so 2nd may be helpful. Korpi will do her usual popping of jumps, so the door will be open.

Yes, that's what I was thinking! With the current standings, I expect to see Mirai on top, barring a complete meltdown (which we will probably see a-plenty from the other ladies) and if the issue's really all in her head, 2nd place sounds pretty good. This event might become interesting.
 
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Isn't there a big coach in France with the last name Didier too?

Are you thinking of Didier Gailhaguet, the long time President of the French Skating Federaation? He was sanctioned by the ISU for his role in the Salt Lake City pairs scandal.

Ladies are doing really well with a 3T/3T combination this year. Its a bit higher in value than a 3Lz/2T, and judges seem to reward it in GOEs as well. Maybe they figure, at least it's a triple-triple.
 

skfan

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imai seems to skate too horizontal to the ice for me--that posture bothers me. is that something suzuki, with the same coach, does as well? i think suzuki's spark and warmth made me overlook that posture problem, it seems more prominent when i watch imai. i do like imai's dress, and i liked her raymonda program from a while back. would like to see more of candice didier, although she can find a more attractive variant for her layback spin.

haven't watched all the programs but i feel korpi should have been penalized a bit more for that not-so-perfect jump. she may be tall and natural blonde but to me kostner has way more grace and better extension and i find her PCS less justifiable than kostner's. your mileage may vary.

i am starting to worry about mao not being in good enough shape to challenge for a spot on the japanese national team. with kanako's big splash, and suzuki and ando skating strong in the GP's, and of course imai and other up and comers... although who knows how much the injury might affect ando--this season i'm really warming to her, perhaps even preferring her to suzuki.

i don't want mao to withdraw from the long program here at TEB because i still hold out hope i'll get to see that beautiful program skated with unexpected oomph and decent jumps, but it may well be better for her to just pull the plug on this whole season, as some others have suggested.

i really like ciszny's short program this season. i want her to make GPF because that's more more opportunity to skate it clean and really showcase it. don't like this year's long program, and for all the praise her spirals and spins and extension get, i think they were stronger last season.


ETA:
enough with the coach cams. at least disson has a contract with the singers to show their faces. why the need to show the coaches DURING the program? isn't there plenty of time for it in slow-mo and kiss and cry?
 
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herios

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I would be shocked if Mirai's 3F didn't get the < call.

Or me on her 2 axel.

She keeps having these landings which are all close calls. Why are they not working on her spring, so the juges will be able to give her the benefit of doubt?
 

chuckm

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Alissa's in 4th and Kiira's in pole position to take away her GPF spot!

Korpi won't necessarily take away Alissa's GPF spot, even if Kiira wins and Alissa ends up in 4th. They would both have 24 points, and the TOTAL SCORE would break the tie. Right now, Korpi has 209.83 total points, while Alissa has 227.87. That means Korpi would have to beat Alissa's FS score by 18.05 points. That is definitely not a given, since Korpi is not known for error-free free skates. Alissa doesn't have clean free skates either, but she still scores high with a mistake or two.

Look at it this way: say Alissa had a rocky FS, scored 92.50, and was in 3rd place when Kiira Korpi took the ice. Korpi would have to score 120.55 to beat Alissa to that GPF berth. That would, BTW, be the highest score of any lady in the GP this season.
 
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Andalusia

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The top three placements seem fair to me. Mirai's solo 3F has been looking very low and prone to downgrades this season, and as someone pointed out, her layback spin was very wobbly. I'm not the biggest Kiira fan by a longshot, but she had a nice 3-3 and everything else looked quite crisp and clean aside from the very slight turn out on what looked like a fully rotated 3R. I'd have her in first place but not with a score that broke 60. In keeping with my Murakami aversion, I must say that I far prefer Imai and kudos to the latter for attempting a 3R-3T (for a change)! Imai did have some double-footing issues and looked really juniorish out there so her placement seems reasonable. The fact that she has Mr. Nagakubo as a coach makes me want to root for her even more. ;)

Alissa - sigh...what more needs to be said? And Mao...it's not just that her jumps are looking lower and more unimpressive than ever that worries me, but it's that she was skating at Caroline Zhang's speed level today. In keeping to form, I bet she'll be looking much better by the end of the season.

Oh, and I don't usually give bonus points for attire, but I couldn't help noticing that Alissa's and Kiira's dresses (especially Alissa's) are gorgeous.
 

janetfan

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Or me on her 2 axel.

She keeps having these landings which are all close calls. Why are they not working on her spring, so the juges will be able to give her the benefit of doubt?

Maybe I need to watch again - but Mirai seemed to be one of the few Ladies today who had a nice flow out her jumps, the 2A being one of them.

Trouble is watching these Live streams is not as good for me as a TV broadcast.
Maybe all of Mirai's jumps were off with bad landings - but I didn't see that.

I saw nothing from Mirai as off as Kiira's bobbled loop or Cynthia's awkward landing.

If there were edge calls or borderline URs - I don't see them as easily as more obvious mistakes which interrupt the flow.
 
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chuckm

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Mirai's jumps usually do look good, but several different tech specialists have called many as URs. She isn't getting gigged as badly this season, since she's getting < rather than downgrades as she was last season.
 

burntBREAD

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Korpi won't necessarily take away Alissa's GPF spot, even if Kiira wins and Alissa ends up in 4th. They would both have 24 points, and the TOTAL SCORE would break the tie. Right now, Korpi has 209.83 total points, while Alissa has 227.87. That means Korpi would have to beat Alissa's FS score by 18.05 points. That is definitely not a given, since Korpi is not known for error-free free skates. Alissa doesn't have clean free skates either, but she still scores high with a mistake or two.

Look at it this way: say Alissa had a rocky FS, scored 92.50, and was in 3rd place when Kiira Korpi took the ice. Korpi would have to score 120.55 to beat Alissa to that GPF berth. That would, BTW, be the highest score of any lady in the GP this season.

Hmm, you're right
But with this group of ladies' you could get ANYTHING in the LP. And Kiira's PCS looks to be close to 60 in the LP judging from the SP (unless she bombs, which I think is kind of likely), so that should boost her score

The biggest way I believe for Korpi and Nagasu to knock Alissa off the GPF slot is by placements, which is quite possible.
 
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chuckm

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Hmm, you're right
But with this group of ladies' you could get ANYTHING in the LP. And Kiira's PCS looks to be close to 60 in the LP judging from the SP (unless she bombs, which I think is kind of likely), so that should boost her score

The biggest way I believe for Korpi and Nagasu to knock Alissa off the GPF slot is by placements, which is quite possible.

Alissa would have to finish 5th to lose her GPF slot. I could see Korpi, Nagasu and possibly Imai finishing ahead of her, but not Phaneuf, Asada, Sugui or anyone else. 4th would very likely seal the deal for Alissa, and I think that is pretty much a done deal. I just don't think Korpi can beat her by 18+ points.
 

burntBREAD

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Alissa would have to finish 5th to lose her GPF slot. I could see Korpi, Nagasu and possibly Imai finishing ahead of her, but not Phaneuf, Asada, Sugui or anyone else. 4th would very likely seal the deal for Alissa, and I think that is pretty much a done deal. I just don't think Korpi can beat her by 18+ points.

See, I think that it might depend on Phaneuf, and Asada, to a lesser extent but she still appear to be struggling so I'm not betting on her. A clean Cynthia could score high, but it's a big ask. Alissa really just needs to stay on her feet and she's in at this point.
 

hikki

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In keeping with my Murakami aversion, I must say that I far prefer Imai and kudos to the latter for attempting a 3R-3T (for a change)! Imai did have some double-footing issues and looked really juniorish out there so her placement seems reasonable. The fact that she has Mr. Nagakubo as a coach makes me want to root for her even more. ;)

I don't dislike Kanako but I see more potential in Haruka as all her techniques look more refined and I like her grace! Go Haruka win the gold!
Agree with the top 3- I loved Korpi's short at NHK and she was even better here.
 
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