11-27-2010, 06:54 PM
she takes the audience on her journey of emotions
After Mirai's botched spin, which was just weird and very visible, she seemed visibly upset and it took away from the performance. And edge calls and URs... well, I'm not suprised she didn't get a very high score. Unlike others, I think I really like this choreography but it's hard to know because Mirai has yet to sell it like we know she can. I wish she would go back to her other geisha costume. It looked so cute on her.
Originally Posted by Mathman
I have yet to see Kiira's LP or Alissa's LP so I can't really jump into the bickering like I'm dying to do. Anyone know of any clips?
Congratulations to Kiira for her gold! Too bad she didn't do with a perfect program but still. Is this her first international senior competition win? I did watch her SP and I think she is a wonderfully expressive and lyrical skater and there something to be said for selling your programs, which Mirai didn't do.
Congratulations to Mirai for her first senior competition medal. (Honestly, I can't believe I just typed that. It seems so bizarre that Mirai hadn't medaled before this.)
I give Mirai credit for landing all her jumps after her botched spin - when it seemed like she was just going lose mojo. Here is what I think: Mirai clearly is behind on training and isn't back up speed. But I see no reason to believe she can't work out her speed/spin kinks before nationals. Fingers crossed anyway. On the other hand, she stayed on her feet, which I think speaks to her strength and Frank's training style. I'm optimistic. (I hope Frank isn't TOO hard on her after this competition.)
Congratulations to Alissa for making it to finals!! It's so great to see because she stayed in the game this season to prove (to herself) that she can't be counted out and she is doing that. I sincerely hope she does well at finals. She so needs it.
It's a bummer that she still hasn't had a clean competition. But I am just so amused at all the people who are surprised to see both Mirai and Alissa on this podium. What-ever. With Mao out of the picture, Mirai and Alissa totally had in them to medal and even win.
I think it's a bit disappointing that one of them couldn't pull off a win in this field but you know, not everyone can be Kim Yuna or Michelle Kwan, and dominate competition after competition. I love watching both of them and I'm happy for them and their medals.
11-27-2010, 06:56 PM
Yeah, this is what bothers me, too. The casual baseball fan can tell when someone hits a home run. The casual track and field or horse-racing fan can certainly figure out the winner. While I understand that skating must quantify things, if it's done too arcanely, it will attract only the precise souls on here who are capable of analyzing jump layouts and protocols, or the romantics like me who come for the music and the dance. (I recognize that many skating fans combine both traits!) It will not attract new fans who look can't understand why edge calls sink you lower than falls. Thank goodness for YouTube, because TV will not be carrying more skating programs any time soon.
Originally Posted by Mathman
11-27-2010, 07:04 PM
SkateFiguring took the violet pill
Hidden? I thought they were pretty much in your face! Some skaters seem to consider them the entire PC! And they become even more extravagant when not constrained by competition rules, like when on a reality show
Originally Posted by Joesitz
Anyway, the Skating Skills and Transitions are actually technical parts of a program, while the other 3 PC constitute Artistry. However, there is no Tech Panel on the 2 technical skill components and no levels are assigned. A few skaters like Chan, Takahashi and Kozuka are doing triple and quad jump equivalence while others do what equal to single and double jumps. They would fall all over the rink if required or made to do what the top PCS earners do. We are simply spared such spectacles because they just do what they can, often trying to camouflage their lack of skills with busy arm movements, in place gyrating, and, of course, with costume, makeup, cuteness, hotness, etc.
11-27-2010, 07:14 PM
Really? Given that some victories are decided by thousandths of a second or disqualifications for barely visible touches to the lines, you think that casual fans can see that in real time? Not everyone is Bob Beamon or Usain Bolt. I certainly agree with the general argument, but how many sports have used highly technical presentations to demonstrate certain facts about the sport (tennis: is the ball in/out/on the line, for example).
Originally Posted by Olympia
11-27-2010, 07:47 PM
I dont know which crowd your are referring to, but as much as I like Alissa it bothered me that she made the podium with that performance.
Originally Posted by wallylutz
I am sure that I am in the minority here but I thought that Cynthia deserved the Bronze.
11-27-2010, 08:21 PM
she takes the audience on her journey of emotions
Well, you're right that sometimes things are hard to see in other sports and referees provoke the ire of fans by making bad calls. Very good point. There are certainly some people who think the World Cup is totally rigged and political. I am not such a conspiracy theorist but referees sometimes make obvious mistakes.
Originally Posted by ImaginaryPogue
Still, the bottom line is that in racing, whoever makes it to the finish line first wins. And even if it takes a stop watch to determine it, fans accept that basic premise and don't spend a lot of time arguing about who had the most beautiful strides or the best arms or whatever.
In figure skating, there is a lot of bickering among fans _ and I imagine insiders _ over what SHOULD be most valued. There is just no arguing that what is most valued in racing is whoever gets there first and what is most valued in soccer is whoever scores the most goals. I think Olympia's point is fair but OTH, it is absolutely impossible for figure skating to ever be a straightforward as most other sports.
11-27-2010, 08:29 PM
11-27-2010, 08:41 PM
Skating is art, if you let it be.
Korpi's LP is the best female program of the year so far. Which doesn't say much, all considered, but still. The music cut is rather perfect. It could be a masterful program with some alterations.
She really needs to work on finishing in time with the music, though. She has yet to end her combination spin in time to get to the final pose with the end of the music.
Last edited by Blades of Passion; 11-27-2010 at 11:18 PM.
11-27-2010, 08:44 PM
I think it was Michelle Kwan who said words to the effect that you give nothing to the judges to take away from you. You give them no option but to put you in first. Everybody gave something to the judges today, and if any of these ladies wanted a clear win, they had to skate much better than they did.
That said, I'm sure Kiira is thrilled with the win; Mirai is thrilled with finally winning a medal at the Grand Prix, and Alissa is thrilled to be going to the GPF.
11-27-2010, 08:59 PM
She won the Finlandia Trophy some years ago.
Originally Posted by Layfan
I am so happy for Kiira! She is the first Finnish lady to win a GP. I think that this off-season she has made some really big improvements to her skating. She's noticeably smoother and her skating skills are really improved. She's also expressing more and connecting more to the music. She has a striking and elegant presence on the ice. I think all the comments about getting beauty points for PCS really detract from her excellent abilities and the very real improvements she has made to her skating.
Anyway, I am so glad for Mirai for her medal and for a huge improvement over COC. I expect to see even more improvements at the US Nationals.
Happy that Alissa gets to go to the GPF BTW - I think she can medal if she skates well.
Overall, 3 of my favorite ladies currently competing, so I can't complain about the podium.
11-27-2010, 09:00 PM