The lack of scatter among the 5 PCS has always BUGGED ME A LOT. As a social scientist all I hear are loud screams of "NO FACE VALIDITY" and "NO VALIDITY." And statistically, of course, having 5 scores means nada/gives no extra info if they're all just going to correlate so highly anyway. Judges should be encouraged to have divergent scores within the 5 PCS and be lauded for distinguishing SS from IN from P/E etc.
Nevertheless, I'm starting to think all the tweaking of COP might someday lead to a system that comes close to delivering what it promises, if what it promises is rewarding all aspects of skating (i.e., not just jumps) but yet also rewarding in some due measure big fireworks like amazing jumps or breathtaking spins or spirals. That is, I think so in theory, but unfortunately my dislike of the system remains fixed when I actually see (most of) the programs the system produces.
I watched right up until Kiira's score was announced and then had to run out for an appointment.
I am a Mirai fan but thought the podium seemd OK. Maybe it helps that Alissa is my second favorite USA Lady and that I also like Kiira.
Am glad Mirai does not have to fly back to China for the Final because she still seems far from her best and the training time for Natls is more important than skating at another GP event.
Not sure what all the fuss was about? Was it over Alissa's bronze? Or Kiira's Gold?
Anyway - I was happy to see Mirai win a medal and Kiira and Alissa as well.
Now would a fall on a jump carry a big reduction in SEWTPW?
The second of the two "technical components" is Transitions/Linking Moves (between scored elements). It seems possible that a skater could do well in that category even with falls on highlight elements.
If I were a judge, I think I would be more likely to knock down a skater's Performance and Interpretation scores. It is in th4ese categories that falls can be fatal, IMHO.
Last edited by Mathman; 11-27-2010 at 04:59 PM.
Some other sports are simpler in how a win is determined and video replays play a big part in deciding if a goal is scored and which competitor reaches the finish line first. Technology also measure by what fraction of a second is one competitor faster than another, by how many tiny units of measurement is one ahead of another, etc.
Skating is a lot more intricate than most sports and COP is an attempt to quantify its different elements so that we can all argue about so many fine points than ever before! I would think the nerdier online fans should love that. After all, we are not soccer hooligans.
But. it's not enough to just declare the scoring wrong because you disagree with it or because the judges are obviously incompetent, corrupt or most likely both. Come on, let's fight by the rules just as the skaters are competing by the rules.
I don't think skating will ever gain and maintain fans with the way this sport is judged. I can't say it's not warranted.
1. I predicted Korpi, so I'm glad she won. Was rooting for Czisny, I'm glad she's in the final.
2. wallylutz, you know I agree with you. It does seem, though, like it's a battle not worth fighting. All you get are straw man and ad hominem attacks.
3. Mirai should've won? Eh, she bores me. I just don't get her.
4. Canadian's came fourth in three disciplines (Mens, Ladies, Pairs). Americans came third in three disciplines (Men, Ladies, Dance). That kind of sinchronicity makes me smile.
I totally agree with you wallylutz. It's amazing how Alyssa got over 100.00 after imploding on that FS. I like Alyssa, but I don't think she deserved to be marked that highly. I guess if your name is not Patrick Chan, you don't get that much criticisms. Oh, I guess because she DID NOT fall 4X, right? Chan's falls on the SP+FS get counted together right?
The Sport of Figure Skating lies with the scoring of the Tech. The glamour of Figure Skating lies with the scoring of the PC, but it creeps into the Tech also. The costumes, the makeup, the music, the style, and the cuteness, are all hidden factors in the PC.
1. No we won't, Joesitz.
2. In this case, I like extraneous facts that together have a kind of harmony. For example, I like that Aliona and Robin have both have three-syllable last names beginning with "S". I admire the seemingly diverse group of skaters that France has.
3. I can definitely understand why people don't get Joannie, janetfan. I think it's the difference between natural vs earned/developed talent. But I was more playing on the consistency of the cries that "Mirai should've won" (US Nationals last season, robbed of the bronze cries at Olympics). I fully expect at next year's Nationals, when it's Czisny has the top spot and it's between Flatt and Nagasu to hear those exact same cries. Whatever "it" is, Mirai clearly has it for a lot of people.