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    Alissa's FS is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92wQ8AfxT2o Despite the errors, what a gorgeous program. It's my favorite amongst all the ladies' programs this season.

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    I can't say I'm nearly as outraged/confused by this result as I was about SA. I mean, Nagasu made a couple of really glaring, unusual errors as well. (Messing up a spin?!) I knew it would be close between Nagasu and Korpi, and the difference would come down to program components, probably. In that case, if Korpi was padded just a LITTLE, that would be the difference between gold and silver. Turns out Nagasu's flubbed spin was the difference. If she hit that spin, she would have won.

    It's not like at SA where a routine with mistakes won over a clean, energetic performance.
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    Mirai lost 3 points on that spin, at least. It's hard for an old 6.0 era fan like me to put that high a value on a flubbed spin, but that's how it's scored in COP.

    Johnny Weir lost a lot of points at Olympics that way too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImaginaryPogue View Post
    Don't be sorry. Just change your belief!

    More seriously, I've decided that Czisny is gonna be on the world podium this year and I'm devoting much of my imaginary will power to ensuring this is so.

    ... that was more seriously?


    I love Alissa's LP this year because it is all about Alissa's beautiful skating.

    Personally, the more Alissa I get to see the better so I hope she makes it worlds. But as you never know with her I'm just going to enjoy her skating while it lasts and be pleased she is still around for at least one more season.

    ETA: I finally got to see Kiira's LP. I'm a bit ambivalent about whether she her or Mirai should have won. It's a bit weird that the skater who stayed on her feet for both programs is second. But Kiira performed better and it wasn't just one spin that Mirai flubbed - at least a couple were off. SO frustrating that Mirai should lose on spins. But you can bet she'll be working on those and that is a good thing. At least she won the silver. Anyway, I'm not that fussed about the results. I'm happy for Kiira.

    As for Kiira's LP, Blades is right that she really needs to work on ending on the music. I like the program but I don't know if it's such masterpiece material. The footwork is O-K, the music they chose for the section is sort of boring. I don't love the way she uses the crescendos. There are parts where she skates through some good crescendos on her way to jumps. And at the end she just spins to the crescendos, which is okay but not amazing. There are times when the choreo is lovely but other times where the music sort of overwhelms the skating.
    Still, she is lovely to watch. I know Kiira isn't as good a spinner as others but I rather like her spins. I like the way she speeds up when she changes her arm and leg position on her layback. It's so pretty. If she could just make fewer mistakes...
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    Quote Originally Posted by dorispulaski View Post
    Mirai lost 3 points on that spin, at least. It's hard for an old 6.0 era fan like me to put that high a value on a flubbed spin, but that's how it's scored in COP.

    Johnny Weir lost a lot of points at Olympics that way too.
    What happened to it? It looked like she just caught or just lost balance. Weird because her layback spin is usually excellent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckm View Post
    (Sigh!) Cynthia was held down on the PCS because she was slow and lackluster and took forever to set up each jump. She also didn't skate that well. The judges will continue to hold her scores down as long as she skates inconsistently. She had a very easy program---she fell on the lone 3Z and the other jumps were 3T, 3S and 2A. The better Junior skaters have a tougher layout than that.
    Cynthia also did two very good 3loops, both in combination.

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    I wish Mirai would do herself a favor and move at least one of her combinations later in the program. She's losing valuable points by doing them as her first 3 jumping passes. I understand the need to keep the 2A+3T in the beginning, but perhaps she could move the 3 jump combo to a later point.

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    I think that Kiira has a great fs programme choreography exatly as such as it is. This she needs to improve though: To learn to finish her programme at the same time as the music ends. I believe that she just simply does not bother to do either at all or enough full run-throughs of her free programme in her training. That way she would learn to finish her programme at the right time, what ever happens during her performance (a clean skate or with one or more falls, etc.).

    Congratulations to Kiira, she deserved to win the event. I´m also happy for Mirai who is my big favourite. The best thing happened to her, she is not in GPF and has the opportunity to train more to be successfull enough in Nationals to get to Worlds. At Worlds I hope Mirai to be at her very best...
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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckm View Post
    I don't think Korpi is a female Chan, but I do think she was quite generously scored in this competition, while other were scored more stingily. What will happen when Lepisto comes back? Will they both be on the World podium with watered-down programs? Oy!
    Korpi did 5 Triples here, that's more than Lepisto usually does.

    Ironic how Korpi ends up having better spins and presentation than Mirai. Even Korpi's Spiral was better than Mirai's (who bobbled a bit on that move). I really dislike the choreography of Mirai's Spiral Sequence in the first place. She is capable of doing MUCH more: that is an excellent move for her but all she is currently doing is a single boring catch-foot position which she holds for 6 seconds. BLEH. Her program in general is completely schizophrenic with all of the music changes.

    Technically Korpi was overscored, though. Her 3Lutz was underrotated but she didn't get dinged for it. She ended up receiving 2.9 points for falling on an underrotated Lutz. Overall I can go either way in terms of declaring a winner. I'd probably pick Korpi because the program was better.

    Quote Originally Posted by oleada View Post
    I wish Mirai would do herself a favor and move at least one of her combinations later in the program. She's losing valuable points by doing them as her first 3 jumping passes. I understand the need to keep the 2A+3T in the beginning, but perhaps she could move the 3 jump combo to a later point.
    She only loses .14 by putting the 2T on the end of her 3Flip in the first half of the program rather than the later half.

    She loses a lot more points by repeating the 3Toe as a solo jump in her program. She should be doing a 3Loop-2Loop instead (and then no 2T on the 3Flip). She has done that combo before and the 3Loop is probably her best Triple, so I've no idea why she repeats the Toeloop in her program rather than the Loop. I also want to see her put the 3Sal back in rather than repeating the Double Axel. This should be her layout:

    3Lutz-2Toe-2Loop
    2Axel-3Toe
    3Flip
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    3Loop-2Loop
    3Lutz
    3Sal
    3Loop
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    Without breaking down the protocal in too much detail I agreed with the decision. Korpi barely winning over Nagasu. Both made mistakes anyway, the content wasnt much different either, and Korpi's overall impression was just a bit better.

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    Congrats to all the medallists!

    Mirai clearly made some unusual mistakes - the spin of course, her spiral was off, also she finished behind the music. The edge calls, and urs. But she stayed on her feet and won her first GP medal! Go Mirai! Kiira won Finland's first gold in the GP-and she nailed a triple-triple on the way. Go Kiira! And of course Alissa-off to the GPF! Go Alissa!

    I feel Mirai needs this time to train and get back up to speed. So in that sense it's a good thing she doesn't have to worry about the GPF. Her problems with her spins at this competition seemed a fluke and surely she won't repeat the same mistakes at Nationals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blades of Passion View Post
    Ironic how Korpi ends up having better spins and presentation than Mirai. Even Korpi's Spiral was better than Mirai's (who bobbled a bit on that move). I really dislike the choreography of Mirai's Spiral Sequence in the first place. She is capable of doing MUCH more: that is an excellent move for her but all she is currently doing is a single boring catch-foot position which she holds for 6 seconds. BLEH. Her program in general is completely schizophrenic with all of the music changes.

    She only loses .14 by putting the 2T on the end of her 3Flip in the first half of the program rather than the later half.

    She loses a lot more points by repeating the 3Toe as a solo jump in her program. She should be doing a 3Loop-2Loop instead (and then no 2T on the 3Flip). She has done that combo before and the 3Loop is probably her best Triple, so I've no idea why she repeats the Toeloop in her program rather than the Loop. I also want to see her put the 3Sal back in rather than repeating the Double Axel. This should be her layout:

    3Lutz-2Toe-2Loop
    2Axel-3Toe
    3Flip
    -------
    3Loop-2Loop
    3Lutz
    3Sal
    3Loop
    -About the spiral: I know, right?! The first time I saw Mirai's FS I went: Where's the arabesque spiral? Hers is gorgeous but there she is doing a Bielmann, gaining so little GOE compared to what she's capable of it's hilarious. Look at what Alissa's doing.

    I have a feeling her jump layout will change come nationals, it was different at COC (even with the mistakes) she repeated the flip instead of the toe, though I agree her loop is her most solid jump (technically also) and she is definitely capable of repeating it in the 1/2 half, especially since the flip seems to be her worst jump. I think she did 3Toe here for consistency's sake. Her salchow hasn't been seen for a while, I think it's prone to underrotation.

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    You know, even if Nagasu WON she would not have made the GPF...so I don't really get some of these comments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R.D. View Post
    You know, even if Nagasu WON she would not have made the GPF...so I don't really get some of these comments.
    I was just reading some posts that were like, "I wish Mirai AND Mao could have just snuck into the GPF."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Blades of Passion View Post
    This should be her layout:

    3Lutz-2Toe-2Loop
    2Axel-3Toe
    3Flip
    -------
    3Loop-2Loop
    3Lutz
    3Sal
    3Loop
    What would be really cool is if there would be some way to get coaches to come on the board and tell us why they do what they do.

    Frank Caroll can add just like you and I can. So there must be a reason why he wants Mirai to do a 2A instead of a 3S at the end. Maybe a stamina question? Something about the overall choreography?

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