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    The 3 Jump Combo -

    Who really does it well?

    What I would like to see, and I do not see is the Flow/speed into, throughout, and landing of the combo.

    Especially the Landing.

    I can not exemplify anyone who has the sensation that it once had. Can you.

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    Great question! The ladies especially seem to come to a complete stop on the third jump of a 3Something / 2Lo / 2T.

    The ISU changed the rules this year to allow combos like 3Something / half loop / 3F, or 3-something / half loop / 3Salchow. Has anyone tried it yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    Great question! The ladies especially seem to come to a complete stop on the third jump of a 3Something / 2Lo / 2T.

    The ISU changed the rules this year to allow combos like 3Something / half loop / 3F, or 3-something / half loop / 3Salchow. Has anyone tried it yet?
    Joannie's 3T 1/2Lo 3S is always very nice. Alena Leonova has done it this season as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    The ISU changed the rules this year to allow combos like 3Something / half loop / 3F, or 3-something / half loop / 3Salchow. Has anyone tried it yet?
    Patrick Chan is attempting a 3Lutz+half loop+3Sal. He hasn't managed to do it in competition thus far.

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    The three jump combo

    Actually, when a half loop is inserted between two jumps, it is referred to as a sequence. It gets a lower base value than a true combination. If memory serves me correctly, it is worth 70 percent of the base value of a combination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by larryb View Post
    Actually, when a half loop is inserted between two jumps, it is referred to as a sequence. It gets a lower base value than a true combination. If memory serves me correctly, it is worth 70 percent of the base value of a combination.
    IIRC, the half loop between jumps is now considered a single loop and the previous sequence is now a combo. Patrick Chan has changed his 3-2-2 into a 3-1-3 because it's worth more. His first attempt was a 3-1-2 though, with the 3-1-3 in mind for later when the program matures.

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    Thank you for your correction. Learned something new today, and that's always a good thing!

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    The best 3 jump combo lately that I have seen was Kevin van der Perrens 4/3/3 at Worlds 2010
    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flWhZrA7NJM[/url]

    His 3/3/3 in the old days had a bit better flow though.

    Plush's 4/3/3/ and 4/3/2 were often special.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dorispulaski View Post
    The best 3 jump combo lately that I have seen was Kevin van der Perrens 4/3/3 at Worlds 2010
    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flWhZrA7NJM[/url]

    His 3/3/3 in the old days had a bit better flow though.

    Plush's 4/3/3/ and 4/3/2 were often special.
    That was incredible with vdPerren, but no one thought much of it in the Blogs. He's not a universal favorite.
    I did see Plush 3x3x3 way back in 2004 Worlds. The audience went wild. It didn't have the last one flow greatly but it did not curl

    on the half loop bit. It is indeed easier than a loop. It would be interesting if a skater could do a 3z x 1-1/2 half loop x 3sal.

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    I don't like the half-loop counting as part of the jump combination. xxx-half loop-3Sal or xxx-half loop-3Flip should simply be treated as a 2-jump combination (but not allowed in the SP). If you underrotate the half loop between the jumps then it should be called as a sequence.

    In terms of actual 3-jump combinations, it should be a rule that the last jump MUST be a Loop. It's so completely useless when a skater tacks on an additional toeloop to the end of a combination. And, as cute as Van Der Perren's 4Toe-3Toe-3Toe was, it would have served the program better to do a 4Toe-3Toe-2Loop (or 3Loop if he is feeling especially good) and then save the extra 3Toe for another combination later in the program.

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    Adelina Sotnikova landed a huge 2a-3lo-2lo combo in her FS at a Cup of Russia event a couple weeks ago, it was very well done and impressive .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blades of Passion View Post
    And, as cute as Van Der Perren's 4Toe-3Toe-3Toe was, it would have served the program better to do a 4Toe-3Toe-2Loop (or 3Loop if he is feeling especially good) and then save the extra 3Toe for another combination later in the program.
    That's what I meant about he has no universal fans. Can anyone say their best fan skater did a 4x3x3, and it was cute?

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    everything Kevin does is cute, because he's dreamy

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    That worlds skate was great to see. And he did look rather cute looking so happy at the end of that program.

    I can't say there was great flow at the end of his last triple - which seems to be Joe's original point - but geez, obviously, I'm hugely impressed. [SIZE="1"]But to me he'll always be the guy who wore the trick-or-treating costume at the Olympics. [/SIZE]

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    I dunno, when somebody does something technically impressive (like a 4t3t3t), I think the audience, including blogsters, ought to , not try to minimize the impressiveness by saying, patronizingly, it was cute, or worse, that it was a stupid thing to do because it didn't maximize his COP points. Or that it would be better done at the end of the program for the bonus (where, of course, no one I know of has ever had the energy to complete such a thing).

    I'm tired of the technically gifted not being given credit for the things they do well while being endlessly slagged for the things they do not do well . Those things are true, and there are the PCS where they should be appropriately downgraded. Just don't say that something that's eyebrow lifting amazing is somehow crappy.

    Another set of combination jumps that always made me smile is at the end of a program [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdHorxKW-mw#t=3m50s[/url]
    2A a number of hops and jumps into a 3T into a flying camel.
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