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    The Finalists and the substitutes - MEN

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    (In order of qualification)

    1
    Takahiko KOZUKA
    JPN

    2
    Daisuke TAKAHASHI
    JPN

    3
    Patrick CHAN
    CAN

    4
    Tomas VERNER
    CZE

    5
    Nobunari ODA
    JPN

    6
    Florent AMODIO
    FRA



    Substitutes
    7
    Jeremy ABBOTT
    USA
    8
    Brandon MROZ
    USA
    9
    Adam RIPPON
    USA

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    With all the brouhaha, uproar and declaration that Patrick Chan has already been gifted with the gold no matter what, currently he has gotten 1 out of 139 votes to win the GPF on Tony Wheeler's poll, which is not even a bet with real money! I guess people just love to be dramatic without conviction.

    Do we have our own poll?

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    Feel free to make a poll in the Voting Booth forum!

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    Last year the US had 3 guys in the GPF (Weir, Lysacek & Abbott). This year, no one :(

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkateFiguring View Post
    With all the brouhaha, uproar and declaration that Patrick Chan has already been gifted with the gold no matter what, currently he has gotten 1 out of 139 votes to win the GPF on Tony Wheeler's poll, which is not even a bet with real money! I guess people just love to be dramatic without conviction.

    Do we have our own poll?
    I think the stigma associated with casting your vote here in GS for Patrick Chan is going to be worse than coming out of the closet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallylutz View Post
    I think the stigma associated with casting your vote here in GS for Patrick Chan is going to be worse than coming out of the closet.
    And why would coming out of the closet be bad? Consideration fail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by burntBREAD View Post
    And why would coming out of the closet be bad? Consideration fail.
    It's not bad, that's your word, not mine. However, it's never easy and often is something that comes after years of internal struggle with one self, just ask anyone who had to deal with it. Clearly, this is not something you had to go through. As a tongue-in-cheek analogy, I am saying the GS stigma is greater for embracing Chan than coming out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallylutz View Post
    I think the stigma associated with casting your vote here in GS for Patrick Chan is going to be worse than coming out of the closet.
    But voting online is voting in the closet.

    It is not casting the vote for Chan, but for the competition outcome. Don't people geniunely believe that the corrupted judges have already decided his win? Plus the however conceivably slim chance that he may actually win convincingly. Don't people love the odds?


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    Takahiko, Dai, and Nobi will battle it out for supremacy. My money goes to Takahiko, because he wont get flustered and will be his cool self. Patrick and Vernon, more than likely will have their errors in their programs, and Florent is just an Oly Winner in waiting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dorispulaski View Post
    Last year the US had 3 guys in the GPF (Weir, Lysacek & Abbott). This year, no one :(
    I'm really surprised by this; I really thought one of Abbott and Rippon would have easily found his way to the final.

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    Yeah, I much prefer to see Abbott in the Final too. I expected Mroz or Amodio to be the spoiler for him, neither of whose skating and programs I care much about. Abbott has the skills and the program(s) - I like his LP very much - and should be peaking in his career now rather than headcasing. Well, the CoR might be the one time thing this season and hopefully he progresses instead of peaking too soon again.

    I see the GPF as a 4 way race. Let's see who will bring it that day.

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    I've just checked last year's entry to GPF for men:

    1 Nobunari ODA JPN 15+15=30 482.11
    2 Evan LYSACEK USA 13+15=28 469.89
    3 Brian JOUBERT FRA 9+15=24 440.09
    4 Jeremy ABBOTT USA 7+15=22 441.44
    5 Daisuke TAKAHASHI JPN 9+13=22 445.60
    6 Johnny WEIR USA 9+13=22 416.25

    ALTERNATES

    7 Tomas VERNER CZE 13+7 =20 424.02
    8 Michal BREZINA CZE 11+9=20 419.80
    9 Takahiko KOZUKA JPN 13+4=17 401.13


    This year's qualifiers for GPF in men:

    1 Takahiko KOZUKA JPN 15 + 15 = 30 481.58
    2 Daisuke TAKAHASHI JPN 15 + 15 = 30 461.86
    3 Patrick CHAN CAN 15 + 13 = 28 466.73
    4 Tomas VERNER CZE 11 + 15 = 26 445.12
    5 Nobunari ODA JPN 13 + 13 = 26 462.61
    6 Florent AMODIO FRA 11 + 13 = 24 443.15

    Alternates:

    7 Jeremy ABBOTT USA 13 + 11 = 24 435.40
    8 Brandon MROZ USA 13 + 11 = 24 431.11
    9 Adam RIPPON USA 11 + 9 = 20 436.16


    By comparing, I think the result of this year's GP series are pretty optimistic. Has the men's skating this year worse than last year? I don't see it. Kozuka is soaring to the sky. Verner is rising. Abbott remains the same.

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    I really love Jeremy's skating. This year's FS, especially is a masterpiece. He should be in final instead of a skater who fell 8 times in 2 comp.(Just ridiculous.)
    I can not stop feeling that the result is already decided even before they skate by PCS. Chan and Takahashi most likely to win due to their mid 80 pcs, no matter what,(TAKA'S Pcs has just surpassed 80, so he too has a good chance to win.)
    In case of Chan, Judges did not even give under rotation to his spectacular falls and he got a very high point because of that. It is very strange that the score of fully rotated splat is higher than underrated step out or hand down EVEN IF SKATERS ARE ON THEIR FEET.
    In my mind, there is no doubt that Skate Canada has enormous political power. What else can you explain Chan's 73 on his short with three falls and unbelievably underscored Jeremy's PCS despite of his utterly beautiful basic skating? Anyway, my prediction is 1. Takahashi.(should be clean)2 Chan (Can fall 3 times.) 3. Takahiko (Clean)

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    1. Judges don't give UR calls.

    2. Chan has gotten hit with UR calls this season at both SC and CoR.

    3. Abbott scored the exact same PCS for a clean program as he did with a program with two falls, despite his "utterly beautiful basic skating."

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImaginaryPogue View Post
    1. Judges don't give UR calls.

    2. Chan has gotten hit with UR calls this season at both SC and CoR.

    3. Abbott scored the exact same PCS for a clean program as he did with a program with two falls, despite his "utterly beautiful basic skating."
    Fact bringers are party poopers.

    Oh well, I'll join you.

    It is very strange that the score of fully rotated splat is higher than underrated step out or hand down EVEN IF SKATERS ARE ON THEIR FEET.
    Fact:There is a big difference in points between a 4T and 3T as a quad is extremely difficult to do while 3T is the lowest ranked triple. Sussessful 4Ts are done by only a handful of skaters whereas any advanced skater can do 3Ts, which are often easily tacked on another jump at will to make a jump combo. Do you accept this fact?

    A 4T under rotated by 1/2 turn is classified as 3T, maybe a little over-rotated, but not a 4T. Agree?

    -1 or -2 GOE for stepping out or hand down, and -3 GOE plus 1 point deduction for falling (-4 total), agree?

    Thus a fall on a fully rotated 4T is higher in skills and points than a stepped out 3T. Only a handful of skaters can fully rotate a quad, falling or not, whereas nobody falls on a 3T in a major competition. The difference in difficulty levels of a 3T and a 4T is just that huge. However, falling on a fully rotated triple is not rewarding or worth more than a successful double in most cases.

    Staying on their feet may be prettier but is quite easy to accomplish - do easy stuff and avoid riskier harder elements. If you think staying on their feet is of foremost importance, then watch skating shows. Skating is an Olympic sport and in a competition, skaters compete mostly on their technical skills (~70%), plus presentation (~ 30%).

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