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    ^^^
    We'll disagree on that. OK? If a ball it hit close to the boundary line it is always displayed in Tennis by slomo at the Court and in the living rooms. The Nationals are run by a group of Americans - not so at international events.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkateFiguring View Post


    There are quite a few very knowledgeable and principled posters here I appreciate so much for their sharing and sometimes their humility, courage, and humour. I thought I could play a supporting role when arguments get heated and irrationality overwhelms reasons. They probably don't need me but I sort of like joining a losing cause.

    herios, I've been impressed with Kozuka from the first time I saw him a couple of years back. He's one of the few with the complete package including amazing skating skills. Somehow he hasn't broken through to the top yet, which might happen this season. I believe at the top level of any sport, it's all about the state of the mind. (Exhibit A: Tiger Woods. Exhibit B: Nobu Oda at last Worlds. And then we have the perpetual headcases, who are the saddest and most frustrating.) Maybe Kozuka is breaking through mentally now. My puzzlement about his not placing higher before was sort of explained by some people who have watched him live. According to them, he is opposite of Chan in that he "skates small" and comes across better on TV than live. This GPF should be a real test and a real opportunity for him.

    I look at this as a 4 way race on slippery ice. Takahashi has not done so well this season even though he won both GPs. He is a rock star on ice and such a performer that he can always count on his PCS. Oda has got it all too, but just does not have a perfect non-cute program for him yet. Then there is Chan who would be unbeatable with the combination of high technical elements and skating skills, but he needs to skate clean or almost clean for this competition, and for himself, so it would not become too difficult to keep his mental strength amidist all the negativity.

    I miss Abbott who really should be there.

    I'm all excited for this event. May the best man win.
    So am I. It is my favorite discipline, as I think in men there is depth like in none of the other 3 at the moment. Abbott was a downer for me too, he is one of my favorites, you can see whow much I like my "artistical"skaters.
    About Kozuka skating small, well, he doesn't have the same impact as Patrick does, for sure, saw them live at 4CC in Vancouver and Patrick took my breath away, but he is not always that good either, I saw him live in Kitchener at SC and he was really struggling and he could not even compare cu Takahashi or Abbott there.
    But still Kozuka I found held down somewhat, without a reason. At LA worlds I was very upset when I saw him scoring equally with Contesti on SS. ARE YOU KIDDING ME???
    Yes, Contesti had a cheesy program and sold it well, give him good marks for PE and IN, but SS??? C'mon!
    I don't even want to remember much of that event, there was another highway robbery there, when Joubert ended up 3rd after falling all over the place, ahead of Verner, based on solely his SP. Tomas should have been on the podium there!.
    Taka needs to get some more lessons how to sell his programs, look into the audience more often, make eye contact and have programs which require more interpretation. He keeps picking music which is very challenging technically but doesn't give him much to work with in terms of performance. Pick some Broadway music for a change and take some dance lessons. Kurt Browning, is very high on Taka, he likes his "smoothness" and says once he will learn how to sell his programs he will be very tough to beat.

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    I'm with you herios on many points there.

    I've heard the same comments about Kozuka's performance often. The guy is shy? I try to imagine the kind of nerve to perform all alone in a big ice rink with thousands of pairs of eyes on you, knowing millions more are watching all over the world in a major competition and knowing what you're going to do involves very probable risk of falling on your butt. That's one of the many reasons I find figure skating so special and skaters admirable.

    I find this season's PCSs for Kozuka and his competitors:

    .....................COC.......................... ..TEB.........

    Kozuka.....36.10 + 74.70...............37.29 + 80.80
    Amodio....(32.83 + 70.02)..............36.10 + 76.50
    Joubert.....37.01 + 72.50...............36.11 + 00.00
    Verner......36.55 + 75.56...............(37.15 + 78.12)
    Contesti....33.46 + 65.08...............(34.57 + 66.5)

    Those in brackets are scores from non-direct competition with Koz. Contesti is not in the league. I'd say Taka is underscored PCS wise vs Verner while Joubert and Amodio are just overscored IMO.

    Daisuke has the highest PCS with Patrick close behind. But Taka has now broken through the 80 marks to join them as the PCS elites. As PCS are more stable scores and good as indicators, right now it's Takahashi, Chan, and Kozuka as 1, 2, and 3 in winning probabilities, depending on TES/ jumps results at the competition. Koz and Chan have the softest knees, as do Takahashi and Oda, so they tend to have beautiful jumps and more able to save wonky ones, while "manly" jumpers like Joubert and KevinVDP muscle through their jumps as well as transitions.

    Men's field are indeed deep and exciting right now while the Ladies are unpredictible for the opposite reasons. Their results depend mainly on which twins show up on the day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkateFiguring View Post
    I'm with you herios on many points there.

    I've heard the same comments about Kozuka's performance often. The guy is shy? I try to imagine the kind of nerve to perform all alone in a big ice rink with thousands of pairs of eyes on you, knowing millions more are watching all over the world in a major competition and knowing what you're going to do involves very probable risk of falling on your butt. That's one of the many reasons I find figure skating so special and skaters admirable.

    I find this season's PCSs for Kozuka and his competitors:

    .....................COC.......................... ..TEB.........

    Kozuka.....36.10 + 74.70...............37.29 + 80.80
    Amodio....(32.83 + 70.02)..............36.10 + 76.50
    Joubert.....37.01 + 72.50...............36.11 + 00.00
    Verner......36.55 + 75.56...............(37.15 + 78.12)
    Contesti....33.46 + 65.08...............(34.57 + 66.5)

    Those in brackets are scores from non-direct competition with Koz. Contesti is not in the league. I'd say Taka is underscored PCS wise vs Verner while Joubert and Amodio are just overscored IMO.

    Daisuke has the highest PCS with Patrick close behind. But Taka has now broken through the 80 marks to join them as the PCS elites. As PCS are more stable scores and good as indicators, right now it's Takahashi, Chan, and Kozuka as 1, 2, and 3 in winning probabilities, depending on TES/ jumps results at the competition. Koz and Chan have the softest knees, as do Takahashi and Oda, so they tend to have beautiful jumps and more able to save wonky ones, while "manly" jumpers like Joubert and KevinVDP muscle through their jumps as well as transitions.

    Men's field are indeed deep and exciting right now while the Ladies are unpredictible for the opposite reasons. Their results depend mainly on which twins show up on the day.
    Skatefiguring,

    This sport is still very protocol bound, although COP made that less stonelike. Once the skaters get consistent in jumps, the second marks will follow up shortly.
    Taka's started to get higher this year. The good news for him , so far is he is not falling in the second half of his programs, like he used to do. That means his stamina is better and he can push through cleanly, the big question mark is still his opening quad.
    I checked out his conf, press following his LP at TEB and he said he realized Amodio skated very well, when he stepped onto the ice and he got a little nervous seeing the audience standing and cheering. but he kept his nerves under control, major
    And what I like a lot, when he is satisfied, he gives out a fist pump, in the end. (I do it too, in front of TV or screen)
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    I think the Order of Skate in the SP will contribute to the outcome and lead to the order of skate for the LP. I know, I know, I know the CoP says score what you see. But who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men?

    I also feel the Roar of the Crowd may often influence the out come, but not as much as order of skate. The Roar of the Crowd is quite thrilling at LIVE comps.

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    *confused* did I miss something? Is Abbott now in the GPF? John Coughlin just tweeted a good luck message to Jeremy... just curious?

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    It's possible that Tomas is withdrawing, not wanting to compete and lose to the Asians before Europeans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonichelle View Post
    *confused* did I miss something? Is Abbott now in the GPF? John Coughlin just tweeted a good luck message to Jeremy... just curious?

    I have no idea what they are talking about, just checked ISU site and the entries are the same and Jeremy is listed as the first substitute.

    Tweet Coughlin and ask him if he issmoking something

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    Quote Originally Posted by herios View Post
    Tweet Coughlin and ask him if he issmoking something
    maybe it's finals week or something? (I know so little about Jeremy that I don't even know if he's taking classes)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonichelle View Post
    maybe it's finals week or something? (I know so little about Jeremy that I don't even know if he's taking classes)
    You just made me all excited and then I jumped over there in a hurry to see who he is replacing and saw nothing, damn!

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    According to his FB page, he's leaving for SOI Mexico shortly. Oh, and judging the ice show try outs for DSC...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mskater93 View Post
    According to his FB page, he's leaving for SOI Mexico shortly. Oh, and judging the ice show try outs for DSC...
    You're right!

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