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    Quote Originally Posted by SkateFiguring View Post
    Chipeur was so stiff there was no future in his presentation improvement, at age 25.

    Nadine, you admire jumpers but it takes a lot more than jumps to win and Skate Canada's objective should be more than giving jumpers their chances to jump internationally. They need to consider possible placements of Team Canada members, hopefully winning some medals but at least qualifying for more future spots for Canadian skaters. Chipeur did not fit the bill, as much as you adored him. Obviously, judges did not feel the same way you did, understandably, especially with him bombing in his big opportunity on the big stage.

    Kevin, on the other hand, showed a lot of potential. He's more of a natural jumper than Chipeur, who muscled through everything. Though Kevin's presentation and other components were seriously lacking, he was young and in progress. Importantly he's not stiff like Chipeur. He could improve his presentation and he did, in a big way. And he is still in progress. With more international competitions, he'd likely improve his consistency, increasing both his TES and PCS.

    The results speak for themselves. Chipeur bombed at the Olympics and Kevin proved himself to be the right delegate to Worlds. With Patrick's silver, Team Canada with Kevin in it earned 3 spots in Worlds this year.

    We will have to agree to disagree. And, yes, I do admire jumpers, but there has to be more there to make me a fan. For one, Vaughn Chipeur is way more than a jumper. His bluesy number fit him like a glove last year, as did his speed, he could skate circles around Kevin in that department as well. Number two, he does not muscle his jumps, he's a natural, something Kevin isn't, and this coming from a big Kevin fan.

    Anyhow, Vaughn has retired now, and I wish him well, as I do Kevin. It was a joy to watch Vaughn at the 2010 Olympics, where he earned his spot on the team. I will miss seeing his natural jumping ability and his flow & speed across the ice.

    Here's hoping Kevin can one day jump as impressively as Vaughn, and also earn a spot to the next Olympics.

    GOOOOOOOOOOOOO KEVIN & VAUGHN!!!!!

    p.s. and your favorite, Patrick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nadine View Post
    p.s. and your favorite, Patrick.
    Knowing the right horse to bet on saves a lot of angst.

    I am also realistic about which of my favorites will not likely win. It's very satisfying when a favarite has great winning potential.

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    Lol, yes, I know what you mean. I could at least always count on Zhenya.

    But seriously that's not what it's about for me. I've been watching this much loved sport since the 70's, about 35+ years, and I've seen plenty come & go, some fall by the wayside, others go on to much success. But it's the joy they've given me as a mere spectator that I appreciate. They do this for a living, I watch it for fun, therefore I respect each & every one, no matter their accomplishments. After all they are the ones that put in all the hard work day after day after day ad infinitum, whereas we are just mere spectators enjoying what they make look easy when it's not.

    Therefore, I respect them all, not just the mere few that you see on t.v. It's not always about medals. I wish them all well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nadine View Post
    ...I respect each & every one, no matter their accomplishments. After all they are the ones that put in all the hard work day after day after day ad infinitum, whereas we are just mere spectators enjoying what they make look easy when it's not.

    Therefore, I respect them all, not just the mere few that you see on t.v. It's not always about medals. I wish them all well.
    Well said!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nadine View Post
    I totally disagree with sending Kevin over Vaughn Chipeur last year. Skate Canada made the right decision. And I am emphatic about that because Vaughn Chipeur's jumps are the honest to God B-O-M-B!!!!! Nobody but nobody jumps like that. He's more than a naturally gifted jumper, he's a phenomena. Seriously, when landed, heck even when not landed, lol, they deserve +10 GOE off the scale.

    My eyes were literally glued to him at the Olympics. In person they're even more magnificent if that's at all possible.

    Yes, I am a fan of Kevin Reynolds first & foremost, but as a fan of this sport above all, I recognize, admire, and acknowledge somebody like Vaughn Chipeur. Kevin's best jumps don't even come close to Vaughn's. And that's the truth.

    That said, Kevin has come a looooooooooooooooooong way since last year, and nowadays I'm not so sure, especially with Kevin's dramatically improved presentation, which is out of this world imho. He would have the edge on PCS, but Vaughn would have the edge on TES if both skated cleanly with the same amount & type of jumps. Jmho, of course.
    Sorry but the huge difference in base value with the extra quads and quad combinations is worth far more than the GOE difference. Chipeur with the amplitude he had on his jumps should have been training quads but wasnt for some reason. And his jumps while good when landed are very inconsistent of course.

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    I would have preferred Kevin to get the spot over Vaughn for last year's Olympics, but Skate Canada said the team would depend solely on Nationals and Vaughn did skate better than Kevin at Nationals, so it's only fair that he went (even though I don't particularly like him). In my dreams it would have been Shawn going instead of either of them. It's too bad he didn't skate like he did at Skate America or the 4CC FS at Nats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue_idealist View Post
    In my dreams it would have been Shawn going instead of either of them. It's too bad he didn't skate like he did at Skate America or the 4CC FS at Nats.
    Yeah, it is unfortunate.

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    Hi blue_idealist and Siberia82. I agree with you both and who I would have liked to see there. I have just realized that I am REALLY sick of watching Men's FS at Canadians and then feeling like it's Blue Monday all over again. As it's Sawyer's last season (most likely), I want to see him finally make it this time and not just to fizzle out at worlds, to wow the crowd there too. He needs more of a skating future than CSOI because he seems to skate, while fun to watch, somewhat gimmicky programs and I wis he would bring his competitive artistry to his show skating (the Tangos, Amadeus, Alice in Wonderland just to name a few).

    I just read a recent Michael Slipchuk article where Sawyer's name was mentioned as an actual possibility to go to Worlds and that's the first time I heard that as an actual quote from him. There always seems to be a young guy that goes all out to snatch the spot away so after 5 years I really have my doubts but with J10 out and other names out of Nationals which leaves room for other skaters to be talked about, this is his opportunity. And unlike the other young guys here, there's no "maybe next year" for this guy. With this years circumstances and the two wonderful programs he has, the time is now for Sawyer as his window of opportunity is drawing to a close.

    Again, I have my doubts, just wishful thinking on my part.

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    Shawn really is a very special, very unique and artistic skater. However, his extreme flexibility, which contributes so much to his skating, also hinders his jumps. So I don't expect him to win a Worlds title but he can definitely place high if he brings his best. He has a very good opportunity to be on Team Canada this year and I hope he will be very happy with his decision to stay competitive this year. Additional kudos to his choreographing his own program. It's really wonderful and I look forward to him performing it in its and his full glory.

    eta Reynolds, Chan already have one eye on Sochi - part of the spin and fluff for the Nationals. The title sounds like two of them have just one eye.

    Post-Olympic year opens doors in Victoria

    I linked this in the Chan thread in The Edge but it should be good here too:

    Patrick Chan expects tough competition
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    For the World team, Patrick and Kevin are 1-2 no matter what. The third spot can go to anyone and I'm hoping that either Joey Russell or Elije Balde get the nod (more so for the latter). Although I like Shawn, his time has gone and past. We need to focus on the future and without a sonsistent triple axel or even a quad, Shawn is really taking himself out of contention. He's been inconsistent most of his career and I think CSOI and coaching are probably his only future in terms of where skating is. With a lack of international success and no national championship under his belt, his options are really limited.

    In the ladies, my gut tells me it's Cynthia. She's an inspiration to a lot of young ladies out there and SC adores her. She is ranked 5th in the world and has had decent results all season.

    Amelie Lacoste will win silver. I have no doubts as she is as inconsistent as Cynthia but does not have the same quality to her skating as Cynthia.

    Wild card for bronze but I think Kate Charbonneau has a really good shot at it. I love Myriam Samson and Adriana DeSanctis, but just like the men's spots, Kate needs more assignments to get more consistent results.

    For pairs, Moores-Towers and Moskovitch, Lawrence and Swiegers and Duhamel and Radford.

    Dance, this is tough but Weaver and Poje for the gold, Crone and Poirier for silver and bronze i have no clue. The race for 1-2 will be tight but Weaver/Poje are my sentimental faves.

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