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    Thanks, Gopatrick for mentioning Elladj. you know I'm frequently in awe of Patrick , I love the new Kevin ( Thanks, Shae), I thought Jeremy ( whose programs I loved this year)was out due to injury, Shawn is Shawn and though I love him, I don't think there's anything more coming from him. Joey...??? Ian ( I like, but..???) ..and so on.

    I was watching for Elladj at Challenge, after his year out, and though he had a bit of a rough go there..Boy, oh boy ! Couldn't we use a bit of his panache ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by trains View Post
    Starting orders are up and V & M are in!
    i 'm fainting reading this...
    i believe Tessa and Scott know what they are doing... btw, i pray everything goes well, before, during and after the competition!

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    Yep! (Trying not to be delirious...) Naturally everyone wants Tessa to be well. Goes without saying. But my sister and I were just discussing this..and as an alternate strategy doesn't it make sense to test the waters at nationals , then if things are not completely optimal come time for 4CCs , give that a miss and go straight to Worlds. Still means going to World's with at least one other competition under your belt , but more time to get whole and rested , or make any minor changes just before the big one. ( And if everything's going swimmingly, they can do both..more feedback,more proof of fitness , etc., etc. )
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    Quote Originally Posted by colleen o'neill View Post
    Yep! (Trying not to be delirious...) Naturally everyone wants Tessa to be well. Goes without saying. But my sister and I were just discussing this..and as an alternate strategy doesn't it make sense to test the waters at nationals , then if things are not completely optimal come time for 4CCs , give that a miss and go straight to Worlds. Still means going to World's with at least one other competition under your belt , but more time to get whole and rested , or make any minor changes just before the big one. ( And if everything's going swimmingly, they can do both..more feedback,more proof of fitness , etc., etc. )
    No, you don't sound delirious

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    Quote Originally Posted by colleen o'neill View Post
    Thanks, Gopatrick for mentioning Elladj. you know I'm frequently in awe of Patrick , I love the new Kevin ( Thanks, Shae), I thought Jeremy ( whose programs I loved this year)was out due to injury, Shawn is Shawn and though I love him, I don't think there's anything more coming from him. Joey...??? Ian ( I like, but..???) ..and so on.

    I was watching for Elladj at Challenge, after his year out, and though he had a bit of a rough go there..Boy, oh boy ! Couldn't we use a bit of his panache ?
    Oh, dear colleen o'neill, don't set me off on gushing Elladj just has such musculine demeanor in his movement. He's not super handsome, but his unique character, powerful edges and bold lines compel a irresistible charm...

    OK, back to the Nationals...I didn't even realize Jeremy is not on the list
    That's why Charles Dion is in, I remember him, the boy jumping with glasses

    For Patrick, I just shrug my shoulders to those who watch his skating with negative mindset, they are keeping their eyes wide shut for some beautiful skating and just refuse to appreciate the difficulties and risks in his programs. Yes, Patrick does need some more consistency and experience, but he definitely doesn't deserve some ill-minded hatre. He just turned 20 afterall.

    Since I am quite lazy these days, I also inlude an interesting GPF experience of a friend here when I am in mood to share: She was unfortunately surrounded by Japanese/Pro-Japanese fans. She had to watched Patrick's SP along with the jinxing and chanting "fall fall fall, fall on your butt" from those fans. Yeah, thanks for your good karma towards Patrick
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    Go Patrick!

    Go gopatrick!

    All I have to say to all the Chan bashers is "Eat your heart out!"

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    Thanks, mariposa, for point out that Diane Szmiett wasn't in the starting list. I was trying to figure out why Daniela-Bella Favot was in the starting list now, since she was the first alternate. It's too bad that Diane isn't here, for whatever reason, but it's nice to see Daniela-Bella here, since she missed the cut by only 0.16 points or something like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gopatrick View Post
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    Since I am quite lazy these days, I also inlude an interesting GPF experience of a friend here when I am in mood to share: She was unfortunately surrounded by Japanese/Pro-Japanese fans. She had to watched Patrick's SP along with the jinxing and chanting "fall fall fall, fall on your butt" from those fans. Yeah, thanks for your good karma towards Patrick
    That is very upsetting and certainly displays poor sportsmanship from the Japanese fans. It also suggests that they are jealous/frightened for their favorites or Patrick.......................They were obviously trying to distract him from his program but it didn't work..................Go Patrick!!!!!!
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    about Paul/Islam

    I was super impressed withhtis team at their GP event this season - but nobody seems to think they have a chance to upset W/P at Canadians - why is that ? do they lack in the tecnical department because surely in the area of musiclaity , expression and purity of skating they excel .
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    Quote Originally Posted by gottadance View Post
    I was super impressed withhtis team at their GP event this season - but nobody seems to think they have a chance to upset W/P at Canadians - why is that ? do they lack in the tecnical department because surely in the area of musiclaity , expression and purity of skating they excel .
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    1. Major issues with the Golden Waltz. In both competitions, they had low levels there whereas W/P have maintained very good levels throughout their SD.

    2. Ice command and performance is lacking compared to W/P.

    3. The general feeling that while they may leap forth soon, W/P deserve a chance to go to Worlds. PCS will be ahead for W/P.

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    I know that I'm not counting on P&I to beat W&P this year, mainly because P&I couldn't do the Golden Waltz at SC, and then not only still couldn't do it very well at CoR, then they also fell completely apart after a fall in the midline step and finished last in the SD there, and then withdrew, citing an injured back for Islam. W&P, OTOH, made the GPF, and they did not finish last there. In fact, they were within 3.5 points of C&P. More, W&P had significant, visible errors in both GPF programs, whereas C&P appeared to have made no gross, easily visible errors. So C&P and W&P still looked quite close to international judges at the GPF.

    P&I are young-perhaps next year. Their FD, only seen at SC, was quite nice.

    Another consideration would be whether Islam has recovered from his back injury, what's his current condition, and have P&I been able to have sufficient time to recover and still get in enough training time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gottadance View Post
    I was super impressed withhtis team at their GP event this season - but nobody seems to think they have a chance to upset W/P at Canadians - why is that ? do they lack in the tecnical department because surely in the area of musiclaity , expression and purity of skating they excel .
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    I actually think that there is a legitimate chance of them beating out Weaver and Poje, especially since W/P have a tendency to tense up in high pressure situations. Technically, Paul and Islam's FD has a really high base value. It was actually higher than Crone and Poiriers was at Skate Canada (although C/P may have had an illegal element, I'm not sure). The biggest issue with P/I is that we simply haven't seen them enough to really predict how they will perform. At SC, they had a huge problem with the golden waltz, but that might have just been a fluke, or nerves. It was, after all, their very first senior event of any kind. And I don't think its fair to judge them on their performance at Cup of Russia. Regardless of what they may have said in interviews, I think that Alexandra's injury, which was severe enough to make them withdraw before the FD, impacted their SD performance. Assuming that she is fully recovered, I doubt they will have as many problems with the SD as they did there. As others have said, though, if there's going to be a problem with these two, it probably will come on the golden waltz, since they have not had the time that basically every other team has had to learn it.

    Personally, I adore both W/P and P/I, and would like to see them both skate at worlds, but with C/P there and V/M back in the picture, there's really not a good chance of that happening. I would still have to assume that if they skate clean, W/P will get that third spot. They've been out of worlds for too long, and they missed the Olympics by such a small margin, so I would love to see them get there. I just think it'll be a shame for P/I to miss worlds. I love both of their programs, and It's a shame to see such good products go to waste.

    I was actually wondering if anyone thinks that P/I would consider a return to Jr. Worlds if they don't qualify for seniors. I know that they are still age eligeable, and I'm sure Skate Canada would encourage them to go. One would have to assume that they would have a really good shot at winning the gold, but they didn't compete at JGP's this season, so are they allowed?

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    IMO It isn't very feasible for any of the junior eligible dancers who have competed as seniors to do Jr Worlds, because they would need to have a new SD with the Viennese Waltz in it rather than the Golden Waltz.
    I think, but am not sure, that it is still allowed, though? Certainly, the pair Takahashi / Tran competed as both seniors and juniors, and plan to compete at both junior and senior Worlds. But there are so few pairs that sometimes the rules about what competitions you can enter are a little different than for singles and dance.

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    I think it was Paul who was injured..first reported as back, then clarified as a rib injury that caused pain / reaction in her back as well..

    I wouldn't expect them to overtake W/P, but I suspect they've left R/H in their dust ,and will place ahead of them (if she's better ). But I think they did get some good marks at SC, so I'm interested in what the differential will be between them and W/P and C/P, and between them and R/H..and hope everyone is healthy and skates well so that we'll know what that differential means.

    For example, I'm not entirely sure what went on with the GW, so I want to see how they do with it at Nationals. IIRC , at SC they recieved a pretty good level on one section, but they had a goof where their blades just glanced, or something - right at the transition between the end of the other section and the beginning of their footwork.

    I couldn't see their SD at CoR due to my livestreaming difficulties (%#@&**!) but if they were fighting injury ,I wouldn't consider that result definitive , either. Of course, there is often a strategic element to mid-competition withdrawals , but I wouldn't put theirs down to being only strategic .

    I'm not making excuses for them ,or secretly rooting for them over W/P, but I am fascinated by them. They've done so much in a short time, I'm always curious to see if ( or how much ) they've improved since the last time I saw them , wondering how long they can keep up that rate of improvement.

    I think W/P are better than they've often been given credit for, but think they've shot themselves in the foot with their very generic FD this year.

    Edit : Skatingfan - you were posting while I was typing... I completely agree about P/I's chances for worlds... esp. since there's a good likelhood that I/K will get there. Of course that's the situation W/P suffered with the last couple of years..
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    I for one don't think Paul and Islam will beat Weaver and Poje. I mean, Weaver and Poje were ahead of Crone and Poirier in the SD at the GP Final. That's kind of saying Paul and Islam might be on the same relative level as Crone and Poirier, which just isn't true. Even before their withdrawal, Paul and Islam weren't doing so well at their second GP. I know she was injured, but they were near last in the SD before withdrawing. Do I think they will beat Ralph and Hill? Quite likely..

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