Still would have put Chan first. I agree with Jaana's view.
Originally Posted by pangtongfan
It was reported in Japanese media that Daisuke had hit his right buttock and upper part of his thigh badly, and also has a whiplash-like symptom on his neck. He was treated with icing and applying cold compresses, but it was touch-and-go whether he'd compete or not today, according to 'the source (close to him? or JSF?)'. Although Daisuke himself brushed aside any concerns saying 'I am in a little pain, but nothing to worry about.'
Originally Posted by Tonichelle
He was disappointed that he could not give an exciting performance despite scoring his seasons best.
Also he admitted he was surprised he came in third with that performance - he expected a lot worse.
I shudder whenever I imagine being hit with the force of a man coming down from the kind of height and speed as a FS triple jump and crashing to the ice with said man on top. Ice, not a field. In real life, not a cartoon.
Dai has got to hurt. Taka crashed down too, but I guess his anguish is more mental.
These figre skaters are among the toughest athletes there ever are, especially female pair skaters.
Edited to add this from Daisuke's fansite:
After short program, from Daisuke's interview, "In short program, the only one thing I regret is my steps. I missed it. Because I was so tired that I couldn't move another step. In my feeling, I'm not satisfied with my performance, so I don't know why I placed 3rd. The clash has not affect on my performance at all."
Last edited by SkateFiguring; 12-10-2010 at 09:32 PM.
Yes, there were many Japanese fans there. Most of them resident in Beijing, which has a large Japnese expat population. I doubt if many Japanese travelled from Japan, as it's still a 3.5 hour plane ride and very expensive air fares. Crowd was small, but on a Friday afternoon/evening, getting to the arena before 7-8 pm is difficult for working people in Beijing. Hopefully today will see a larger crowd. BTW, the Chinese crowd was cheering for the Japanese skaters as well--no rancor detected by me. Mostly, the Chinese want to be entertained, and they appreciate great jumping though are not as knowledgeable on other skating elements. Noticed more signs from fans around the arena than at previous competitions--and many were for the Japanese guys...and Verner. lol
Originally Posted by SkateFiguring
For those of you who think that Chan should be in the lead over Oda...well, just um...NO. The scores accurately reflect what was on the ice...Chan did get the PCS but was outgunned on TES by Oda. Chan's jumps were competent (for him) last night, but were not in the same league as Oda's. And a 4-3 combo, executed cleanly as per Oda, speaks volumes to tech panels. If Chan had put out a 4-3 last night, he would be in first place. If Chan had put out a 4-2 last night, he might also have been put in first...maybe.
What a fantastic set of short programs. I felt bad that Amodio and Verner popped jumps, but these were really exciting short programs to watch, imo.
I hands down thought Oda deserved first place with the 4-3 combo and wonderful jumps and elements (I hate to be snarky, but his emotion free expression bugs me sometimes, although I admit that today I was able to forgive it, in fact, not even notice it as his jumps were so amazing it was unbelievable; but the costume I just cannot stand); and I thought Chan redeemed himself (for fans) with his mostly clean program - he is for me simply an awesome skater; but today even with the quad, i felt (as in felt - not judge trained analysis) that Oda won and he was rightly in a close second. Taka is too hot for words - the way he moves all of his body is really something; but he bobbled the footwork, "only" did a 3-3 and no quad and as much as I loved the effort, felt third was well deserved. Where my heart hurts a bit is for Kazuka - NOT because I think he is lacking although he wasn't fully on today, but because no matter how much I try, I just don't feel this short program at all (and I actually like the music).
Anyway, I found that exciting and loved reading your comments....here's looking forward to some great LPs too!
I'm really glad to have your comments! It's also good to hear that the local crowd was enthusiastic about the non-Chinese skaters. I hate when an audience is so partisan that visiting skaters have no one to cheer for them--especially in this case, when the Japanese and European skaters are so spectacular (and their home countries are too far away for large groups of supporters to travel from). Keep taking good notes! And enjoy the rest of the skating.
Originally Posted by bigsisjiejie
Chan's PCS was a triple toe higher than Oda's. Oda's skating skill, I think, is better than Chan's. He's so fast, and his knee bend, and edge work are top rated. Both are about the same, interpretation wise. P/E, Oda should be ahead. Chan was overscored on PCS again.
Oda should be a bit higher than Chan.
The order is right.
I think its worth mentioning that Chan's TES were hurt by the UR. In essence, a 4t-3t, 3f, and 3A are the same as a 4t, 3A and 3F-3T in terms of base value. Oda's TES weren't helped by doing a 4-3. They were helped by the fact that he would get good GOEs - certainly compared to Chan, who likely scored negative on the quad and barely positive on the 3A. I think the difference in TES is entirely correct. I also think the PCS were right on too. Takahashi wins out on Performance and Intepretation - his ability to sell his program is simply superior to the rest of the field. Chan wins out on Skating Skills, Transitions and choreography - it's nuts how difficult some of that stuff he does is.
The LP will be interesting.
12-11-2010, 03:51 AM
I really admire Daisuke's attitude. Even he is one of the the best in world, he is really modest and honest with his performance.
Originally Posted by SkateFiguring
12-11-2010, 05:32 AM
Loving pairs, dance and figure skating
Just looking at the clip of Chan's SP, great skate, though what really struck me the most was his conversation with his coach. She is so supportive! That is really nice to see.
I agree! I am always so impressed when I read his interviews! He is always so humble.
Originally Posted by treeloving