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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirunna View Post
    This, if we will see them at Euros! I wouldn't be surprised they send K/A there
    Why? They didn 't even place in podium.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chillyfranz View Post
    I didn't have a time to see this live. Lucky Star, What is wrong with Ilinykh/Katsalapov? I think B/S and R/T look more mature at this point so I can agree with the PCS. What is Khokhlova/Andreev in 4. place?
    Nikita missed twizzles and they got some low levels. That wasn't their best perfomance. B/S finally did their twizzles and won, R/T looked good too. About K/A... I don't wanna even talk about it anymore, I really love Yana and happy to see their progress, but what judges did is wrong (( Though K/A really look hot together and have chemistry, something Yana never had with Novitski, I'm glad for her. I just think they need at least another year, now they can't compete with teams like I/K even if the judges do what they did today

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    Quote Originally Posted by samba View Post
    The scores, particularly PCS, were a joke!! Z/S's magic wand has worked in Russia as well as NA!! If you have a cripple child who wanted to win OGM, please send to Marina with $$$$, she will make it happen!! That's why Icedance is most corrupted sports, shame, shame...
    Don't over react. This is Russian nays. I doubt K/A will get those scores internationally.

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    I watched both B/S and R/T. It's almost unbelievable Ekaterina R and Ilia are skating together for only 2 years! They looked very good out there, but I just loved their SD more. There's something about their FD I don't like, but they are gorgeous skaters, well matched, young so they have plenty of time to develop. Both Ekaterina and Elena have the star-diva quality which I missed from ice-dancing Ekaterina B and Dimitri are so elegant and light across the ice, but I simply don't find that "extra" something in them, that champions have(I/K and R/T have it), or I just don't see it. But I love her posture and her arm movements. Plus, their first lift is a beauty! Their problem is their twizzles are hit or miss. Fortunately, they(he) hit them today! Congrats to the medalists! After seeing the performances I agree with the placements(on the podium), but I don't agree with the big difference between 2 and 3.

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    FD is on youtube.

    Bobrova / Soloviev FD
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cMuH5Igkx8
    Riazanova / Tkachenko FD
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDT_QISBGTA
    Khokhlova / Andreev FD
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gk9EFGkteSQ
    Ilinykh / Katsalapov FD
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-W21mUUg7Nw
    Gorshkova / Butikov FD
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-FrWoeNJNw

    If I had to guess what was wrong with I/K's TES, the 2nd lift (rotational) looked short on revolutions (which loses levels), and the scoring of the twizzle should probably be level 1 as he put his foot down in the first twizzle. Plus lift 1 and the rotational half of the combo lift were kind of anemic; this reminds me that Nikita has had back trouble and they really have not been able to work their lifts as they would in a normal season. They were able to get level 3 on their steps at CoR. I saw a flat or two; they couldn't have gotten better than level 3 on the steps.

    As to K&A, their steps should have been graded level 2, I think, IMO, but their lifts were fine, as were their twizzles, and their spin, while not wonderful, will have gotten its level (and in fact, those skills, all but their first lift, got their level 4's at Golden Spin of Zagreb). The really questionable thing is their PCS for transitions and skating skills, IMO.
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    After watching K/A's FD, I must say that while I agree that technically they need much more time together to be able to truly become a cohesive ice dance couple. Their artistic packaging and chemistry are there already. They have a movie star quality about the two of them and the right FD to show it off. (This is not say that I agree that they should have been placed so high.)

    I really like the choreography, musical edits and selection, and overall sophisticated yet raw feeling of the FD. I wonder in some ways if it had been given to B/A or even D/W if it would have given those teams the interesting more modern direction that would fit their respective styles as well.

    As for K/A, I hope they continue to put the time in together and see what another year of training will do for their technique.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dorispulaski View Post
    FD is on youtube.


    Gorshkova / Butikov FD
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gk9EFGkteSQ

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    It's K/A FD

    I really like to read your analysis. The most impartial in this thread
    Last edited by Ituriel; 12-28-2010 at 06:27 PM.

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    Why on this earth would the Russian Federation send K/A over any of the top three? Why? That would be incredible, but not in a good way. I know we're not support to speculate about the future, but what a way to shoot themselves in the kneecap.

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    The more and more I watch R/T this season the more I enjoy their dances. The FD while they call it a Mexican Dance is more of a European version of a Habanera (Cuban Dance). I like it and the moments when they are in unison you can see their potential. They are a tall and sensual team. The only thing I didn't like was that she tends to muscle things- her upper body in twizzles, her positions in lifts. She needs to work on making things look effortless.

    But otherwise, I like how they're quietly growing into a really stylish team. I prefer them to B/S.

    B/S are a marvelously well-matched team in a physical sense. The proportions and match between their leg lines couldn't be better if you had created it through a mathematical formula. But the way they're being packaged has been a disappointment- they're dramatic but oddly bland at the same time. There's no spark there between the two of them. I think they need a different choreographer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ituriel View Post
    It's K/A FD

    I really like to read your analysis. The most impartial in this thread
    Thank you--

    Here's G&B's FD ChaChaCha
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-FrWoeNJNw

    As to K&A coming in ahead of G&B in the FD, at Golden Spin, K&A were only some 4 points behind G&B--and G&B were behind the young Czechs, Mysliveckova & Novak, who have one of the most peculiar FD's of the year. So it does not surprise me that K&A can beat G&B in the FD--whoever gave G&B that ChaCha as an FD should be shot. The fast little steps (including retrograde steps) of a chacha do not work on COP step sequences where edges Rule-G&B's FD is full of little toe steps and flats steps, which is in keeping with chacha, but not with COP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by missysays View Post
    After watching K/A's FD, I must say that while I agree that technically they need much more time together to be able to truly become a cohesive ice dance couple. Their artistic packaging and chemistry are there already. They have a movie star quality about the two of them and the right FD to show it off. (This is not say that I agree that they should have been placed so high.)

    I really like the choreography, musical edits and selection, and overall sophisticated yet raw feeling of the FD.

    As for K/A, I hope they continue to put the time in together and see what another year of training will do for their technique.
    There's nothing wrong with Jana's technique. She is fine. It's FEDOR who needs intensive training. Right now, his lack of technique is cramping her natural style. He's so big and so wooden that she squelches her own personality to avoid making him look even more wooden beside her.

    I certainly hope the Russian Federation doesn't pull a fast one and send them to Euros. They will not get anywhere near the marks they got at Nats, and the RFSF could wind up with egg on their collective face if K/A don't make the cut for the FD.
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    When I say "their technique" I mean it in the sense of how they skate together technically as a couple- having the same knee bend/action, edge lean, timing etc. Whether one is a better individual dancer contributes to the whole but the couple has to come together technically as well.

    As for Fedor, while I agree that he has a ways to go in terms of gaining fluidity and learning to lean and curve his body to match Jana better, I noticed small differences even between video footage of the Golden Spin and Russian Nats. He's much more active and bends his body towards her much better in this competition though he does still have a ways to go to build more fluidity to his moves.

    However, I do feel that there is a chemical interaction between the two of them that some of the other couples don't have and can't be taught or practiced it just has to exist and that they have in spades.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucky Star View Post
    Nikita missed twizzles and they got some low levels. That wasn't their best perfomance. B/S finally did their twizzles and won, R/T looked good too. About K/A... I don't wanna even talk about it anymore, I really love Yana and happy to see their progress, but what judges did is wrong (( Though K/A really look hot together and have chemistry, something Yana never had with Novitski, I'm glad for her. I just think they need at least another year, now they can't compete with teams like I/K even if the judges do what they did today
    Thank-you very much Lucky Star! I just watch the videos. Ilinykh/Katsakapov, the new upstart youngsters is realy impressive but it look Nikita' s control troubles need to get improved. Lena look better here. Ilinykh/Katsalapov are very young and fresh, and they have a good balance between tedchnical and artistic side of skating.

    Riazanova / Tkachenko is more mature , pollish skaters with good programs to show their character. I think they should get higher marks for components grading, at least on the levels of Bobrova/Soloviev. Katya look like a beautiful woman and Ilya a hansome gentlemen.

    Khokhlova/Anddrev: This is a program I seen before, from Davis-White. Right from the composition, transition, moves is took from "Polovetsian Dances", "Eleanor Rigby" and "Phantom of the opera" of Davis-White. (Not enough link, dancing close holds in tight positions) . The teams who got above them are very fresh and bright, I think it is hard to beat them in the future . Good luck to everyone for the European and Worlds competitions

    Lena look like ballet character in her tu-tu. It is very natural. They have a great easyness in the skating . But i thought SD mark was very high
    Last edited by chillyfranz; 12-28-2010 at 09:41 PM.

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    Elena and Nikita said in their interview they are happy to get the chance to skate at the euros, so I guess we'll see them there in the end

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    Just watched I/K program, in term of presentation I think this is the best they have done this season. The choreographer is brilliant, I feel like I watch bolshoi ballet on ice.

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