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    The Order of Skate at the US Nats

    How is it regulated?

    I believe it is by straws (lottery) for the SP and then the Reverse Order of the Results for the LP. Is that correct?

    Probably why the TV cameras avoid the SP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joesitz View Post
    I believe it is by straws (lottery) for the SP and then the Reverse Order of the Results for the LP. Is that correct?
    Yes to the first part and No to the second.

    From the USFS Rulebook:

    Rule 3322 There will be a random draw for starting order in the first segment of each
    event.

    Rule 3365
    B. TV Rule
    1. At the U.S. Figure Skating Championships only, for the
    championship (senior) ladies, men's and pair’s free skate, and for
    championship (senior) free dance events, the final draw group shall
    consist of:
    Ladies and men: the last two warm-up groups will consist of not
    fewer than 10 and not more than 12 competitors, the exact number
    to be decided by the chief referee in consultation with the executive
    director prior to the draw of the short program.
    a. Starting order for the final two groups will be drawn in four
    subgroups.
    i. The top three finishers in the short program shall be the last
    to skate in the final group and will be drawn from the first
    subgroup.
    ii. The fourth-, fifth- and sixth-place (or fourth- and fifth- place
    if five in group) finishers in the short program will be the
    first to skate in the final group, and will draw from this
    second subgroup;
    iii. The seventh-, eighth- and ninth-place (or sixth-, seventhand
    eighth-place if five in group) finishers in the short
    program will be the last to skate in the second-to-last group,
    and will draw from this third subgroup.
    iv. The 10th-, 11th- and 12th-place (or ninth- and 10th-place if
    five in group) finishers in the short program will be the first
    to skate in the second-to-last group, and will draw from this
    fourth subgroup.
    Pairs: four couples in the final group;
    Dance: five couples in the final group.

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    Thank you Sylvia. I guess I have some calculations to do after the SP. The Order of Skate is important to me.

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    My criminal mind just struck me to come up with another good reason to group the top skaters in the final flight(s). While the collisions during practice and warm-up this season were unfortunate accidents detrimental to all involved (maybe except Rippon ), in a mix of skaters of different levels, a non contending low ranked skater might just try to take out a top competitor on purpose for whatever reason!

    Knee wacking happened before, just sayin'.

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    I used to skate with a girl who (has since quit) was quite in awe her first year at Senior Nationals being in the same warm up group as Michelle Kwan. I think she gawked more than skated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkateFiguring View Post
    My criminal mind just struck me to come up with another good reason to group the top skaters in the final flight(s). While the collisions during practice and warm-up this season were unfortunate accidents detrimental to all involved (maybe except Rippon ), in a mix of skaters of different levels, a non contending low ranked skater might just try to take out a top competitor on purpose for whatever reason!
    Well, if there are going to be criminal collisions on practice or warmup, taking out a direct competitor would be a better motivation than taking out someone far above one's own level.

    But the problem with that kind of plot is that the culprit would be just as likely to take herself out as well.

    Still, if any psychos did barely qualify for nationals, they would still have opportunities to be on the ice with top skaters in the original practice groups or in the random SP groups. And there would always be off-ice opportunities that would be safer for the perpetrator.

    Let's just hope no one is so inclined against any of the competitors.

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