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    I assume one of the aspirations of having a deep national field is that it will reflet in the major international competitions. We have to wait for the future. How long do you think it will take for American men to dominate the top world ranking?

    The present is the past's future. I've updated this season's highest international scores which list scores over 210. Two Americans who are included - Abbott and Rippon, will be competing in 4CC soon. Let's also wait to see how the top American men perform at Worlds.
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    I like to watch the US men more because the top 10 is capable of medaling. A lot of shuffling. A lot of unexpected twist and turn until the last minute.
    In Japan, you know who will go to world. It takes away half of the fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkateFiguring View Post
    How long do you think it will take for American men to dominate the top world ranking?
    If you're talking about the ISU ranking, that system has more holes than a cheese factory after a drive-by. I mean, according to that ish, Tomas Verner is ranked about Daisuke Takahashi, and Samuel Contesti is ranked above Takahiko Kozuka!

    Now if you're asking when the US men's immense depth will start having an impact on senior results (as I said, they already dominate the junior circuit), it will start to show next season, as I expect Dornbush to move to seniors and Armin to get more established (and there may be other juniors moving to seniors internationally). Expect to see more US men on the podium of the grand prix circuit. This season Japanese men dominated the medal count in the senior grand prix, next season they will probably split that distinction with the US.

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    I'm very glad that so many skaters are doing quads now. It's exciting. Thanks to SkateFiguring for putting together the list!
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    So much of landing a perfect quad is, imo, 90% luck! Plushenko was the only one I could count on as having the solid Quad at All tims.
    Joubert would have it most of the time. Let's see who else at Worlds.

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    Well, Japanese second tire skaters after Dai, Taka, and Oda,namely, Mura,Machida, Hanyu are pretty strong IMO.
    All those three have a quad and huge 3a's. What I like about them better than American three representatives to the world this year is that their SS is much better than that of American counter part. Especially, Mura and Machida, they skate like Dai. Hanyu is still young so it may be a few years till he gets that type of skating skills.

    What do you think about their SS? I specially like Mura's.

    Mura
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4b9NzLzV58

    Machida.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJNZLHbbhvk--I like his upper body usage. Very artistic.

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    I'm not sure what you're looking for in SS genki. Ross Miner has excellent SS, as does Hanyu. Machida has promise, but I get zero out of Mura. It's not that Mura is bad at anything, but that Mura doesn't put all his passion into skating. You can see it in both his posture, attack, and the fact that he will often give up on rotating jumps. I get the feeling that Mura doesn't like skating all that much.

    Hanyu is already a super star in Japan. He nearly crashed the podium this year at Japanese nationals. He is going to be one of the tier 1 Japanese male skaters next season if Daisuke retires. And more than Mura or Machida or skaters from anywhere really, Hanyu has star quality. He doesn't asks for attention, he arrests it when he performs on ice. If he can keep his interest in skating and health up, Hanyu is one to watch for in Sochi.

    P.S. relevant to this thread: Hanyu has already landed at least two clean quads in competition that I've seen this season.

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    I'm not sure what you're looking for in SS genki.
    I like a skater with soft bent knees, deep edge and the one who looks like his/her skates are sticky onto the ice. Dai's is the best example. He skates like his skates were sucked into the ice. I love it.
    I did not know too much of Ross Miner so I just took a look at him. Well, SS is fine, but I guess he does not use his upper body at all to express himself. I am a dancer, so from dancing perspective, he does not have a correct dance posture yet.
    About Mura, I do not know. I really like the way he skates.

    Hanyu is already a super star in Japan.
    I am aware of that. I agree that he has a special star quality. However, at moment, he lacks in stamina and his skating tends to be rough at the end of FS. He can not control upper body well, due to fatigue and also ss suffers too.

    Sorry, this is not this thread. But Mura landed quad too. I do not know how many times, though.

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    Whatever happened to Men's Figure Skating? Well, it digressed into the sport of barrel jumping. How many air rotations can the best man do? How many barrels can the best man jump?

    Who are the best Men's Figure Skaters, sort of like John Curry was in his era? Would the skater you name have to have a Quad?

    Maybe we could do a poll of which skater pleased you most: CURRY v. PLUSHENKO?

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    Updated after 4CC:

    Solo Quads

    Chan, CA NAT LP............4T 10.30 + 2.83 = 13.13
    Chan, CA NAT SP............4T 10.30 + 2.17 = 12.47
    Chan, SC LP...................4T 10.30 + 2.00 = 12.30
    Hanyu, 4CC LP................4T 10.30 + 2.00 = 12.30
    Fernandez, SC LP............4T 10.30 + 1.71 = 12.01
    Chan, GPF LP..................4T 10.30 + 1.29 = 11.59
    Fernandez, Euro LP..........4T 10.30 + 1.29 = 11.59
    Van der Perren, Euro LP...4T 10.30 + 1.29 = 11.59
    Hanyu, NHK LP................4T 10.30 + 1.20 = 11.50
    Schultheiss, SA LP...........4T 10.30 +1.00 = 11.30
    Takahashi, NHK LP...........4T 10.30 + 1.00 = 11.30
    Verner, Euro LP...............4T 10.30 + 1.00 = 11.30
    Reynolds, SC LP..............4S 10.50 + 0.71 = 11.21
    Menshov, Euro LP............4T 10.30 + 0.86 = 11.16
    Reynolds, TEB LP.............4S 10.50 + 0.57 = 11.07
    Gachinski, Euro LP............4T 10.30 + 0.71 = 11.01
    Reynolds, SC SP..............4T 10.30 + 0.71 = 11.01
    Mroz COC LP...................4T 10.30 + 0.43 = 10.73
    Joubert, Euro LP..............4T 10.30 + 0.29 = 10.59
    Van der Perren, SA LP......4T 10.30 + 0.14 = 10.44
    Mura, NHK LP...................4T 10.30 + 0.00 = 10.30
    Oda, SC LP.....................4T 10.30 + 0.00 = 10.30
    Van der Perren, NHK LP.....4T 10.30 + 0.00 = 10.30
    Mroz, TEB LP...................4T 10.30 - 0.14 = 10.14
    Besseghier, Fr NAT LP.......4T 10.30 -0.33 = 9.97
    Gachinski, SC LP...............4T 10.30 - 1.00 = 9.30
    kozuka, COC LP................4T 10.30 - 1.00 = 9.30
    Messing, US NAT LP..........4T 10.30 - 1.00 = 9.30
    Reynolds, CA NAT SP........4T 10.30 - 1.00 = 9.30
    kozuka, TEB LP.................4T 10.30 -1.29 = 9.01
    Bradley, US NAT LP...........4T 10.30 - 2.43 = 7.87
    Reynolds, CA NAT LP.........4T 10.30 -2.50 = 7.80
    Fernandez, COR LP............4T 10.30 - 2,57 = 7.73
    Machida JP NAT LP............4T 10.30 - 2.60 = 7.70
    Verner, CZ NAT LP.............4T 10.30 - 2.75 = 7.55
    Chan, SC SP....................4T 10.30 - 3.00 = 7.30
    Gachinski, SC SP...............4T+C 10.30 - 3.00 = 7.30
    Guan, 4CC LP...................4T 10.30 - 3.00 = 7.30
    Guan, COC SP..................4T 10.30 - 3.00 = 7.30
    Guan, COC LP...................4T 10.30 - 3.00 = 7.30
    Kozuka, JP NAT LP............4T 10.30 - 3.00 = 7.30
    Machida, COC LP..............4T 10.30 - 3.00 = 7.30
    Oda, JP NAT SP................4T 10.30 - 3.00 = 7.30
    Oda, JP NAT LP................4T 10.30 - 3.00 = 7.30
    Oda, SA LP......................4T 10.30 - 3.00 = 7.30
    Reynolds, 4CC LP..............4T 10.30 - 3.00 = 7.30
    Joubert, COC LP................4T< 7.20 - 1.00 = 6.20
    Schultheiss, Euro LP...........4T< 7.20 -1.00 = 6.20
    Chan, GPF SP....................4T< 7.20 - 1.14 = 6.06
    Kozuka, GPF LP..................4T< 7.20 - 1.57 = 5.63
    Machida, COR LP................4T< 7.20 - 2.14 = 5.06
    Murakami JP NAT LP............4S< 7.40 - 3.00 = 4.40
    Reynolds, 4CC LP................4S< 7.40 - 3.00 = 4.40
    Mroz, UA NAT LP.................4T< 7.20 - 2.86 = 4.30
    Abbott, 4CC LP...................4T< 7.20 - 3.00 = 4.20
    Abbott, COR LP...................4T< 7.20 - 3.00 = 4.20
    Chan, COR LP......................4T< 7.20 - 3.00 = 4.20
    Oda, GPF LP.......................4T< 7.20 - 3.00 = 4.20
    Preaubert FR NAT LP............4T< 7.20 -3.00 = 4.20
    Preaubert, COR LP...............4T< 7.20 - 3.00 =4.20
    Reynolds, 4CC SP................4T< 7.20 - 3.00 = 4.20
    Reynolds,TEB SP.................4T< 7.20 - 3.00 = 4.20
    Reynolds, TEB LP.................4T< 7.20 - 3.00 = 4.20
    Vasicek, CZ NAT LP ............4T< 7.20 - 3.00 = 4.20
    Takahashi, GPF LP...............4F<< 5.30 - 1.80 = 3.50
    Takahashi, JP NAT LP...........4F<< 5.30 -1.82 = 3.48
    Carriere, SA LP....................4T<< 4.10 - 2.10 = 2.00
    Takahashi, 4CC LP...............4T<< 4.10 - 2.10 = 2.00

    Quad Combinations

    Oda, GPF SP......................4T+3T 14.40 + 2.29 = 16.69
    Chan, CA NAT LP................4T+3T+C 14.40 + 2.00 = 16.40
    Chan, COR SP....................4T+3T 14.40 + 1.86 = 16.26
    Gachinski, Euro SP..............4T+3T 14.40 + 1.29 = 15.69
    KVDP, Euro SP...................4T+3T 14.40 + 1.29 = 15.69
    Mura, NHK SP....................4T+3T 14.40 + 1.14 = 15.54
    Reynolds SC SP..................4S+3T 14.6 + 0.71 = 15.31
    Besseghier TEB SP..............4T+3T 14.40 + 0.71 = 15.11
    Joubert, COC SP.................4T+3T 14.40 + 0.71 = 15.11
    Reynolds, SC LP..................4T+3T 14.40 + 0.71 = 15.11
    Bradley, US NAT SP.............4T+3T 14.40 + 0.57 = 14.97
    Mroz, COC SP.....................4T+3T 14.40 + 0.00 = 14.40
    Mroz, TEB SP......................4T+3T 14.40 - 1.00 = 13.40
    Menshov, Euro LP................4T+2T 11.70 + 1.14 = 12.84
    Menshov, COR SP................4T+2T 11.70 + 0.71 = 12.41
    Gachinski, COR SP................4T+2T 11.70 + 0.43 = 12.13
    Mroz, NAT SP......................4T+2T 11.70 - 0.71 = 10.99
    Joubert, Euro SP..................4T+2T 11.70 - 1.29 = 10.41
    Joubert, FR Nat SP...............4T+2T 11.70 - 1.33 = 10.37
    Reynolds, TEB SP.................4S<+3T 11.50 - 1.14 = 10.36
    Voronov, COC SP.................4T+1T 10.70 - 3.00 = 7.70
    Reynolds, CA NAT SP............4S<+2T+C 8.80 - 2.00 = 6.80
    Bradley, US NAT LP...............4T + seq 8.24 -2.43 = 5.81
    Joubert, TEB SP....................4T<+1T 7.60 - 3.00 = 4.60
    Schultheiss, Euro SP......,.......4T<+combo 7.20 - 3.00 = 4.20

    4CC brought a beautiful 4T from Hanyu and a bunch of poor attempts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joesitz View Post
    Whatever happened to Men's Figure Skating?

    Maybe we could do a poll of which skater pleased you most: CURRY v. PLUSHENKO?
    Men's figure skating disappeared when figures did--in 1989. Maybe the US needs to change what it calls figure skating into what the rest of the world calls it--artistic skating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genki View Post
    Well, Japanese second tire skaters after Dai, Taka, and Oda,namely, Mura,Machida, Hanyu are pretty strong IMO.
    All those three have a quad and huge 3a's. What I like about them better than American three representatives to the world this year is that their SS is much better than that of American counter part. Especially, Mura and Machida, they skate like Dai. Hanyu is still young so it may be a few years till he gets that type of skating skills.

    What do you think about their SS? I specially like Mura's.

    Mura
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4b9NzLzV58

    Machida.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJNZLHbbhvk--I like his upper body usage. Very artistic.
    Mura is one of the most consistant quad jumper in men skating today. I think he is underrate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by treeloving View Post
    Mura is one of the most consistant quad jumper in men skating today. I think he is underrate.
    With one solo and one combo, both well done, I would say he's good and has great potential. Hanyu, too, has two of the best quads this season. Very impressive. The quality of their quads bodes well for consistency but not enough has been done this season to make such claim.

    eta Mura did both his quads at the same event, NHK, impressive but has he participated in more competitions since? Hanyu did his at the first and last event so far, so that's more of an indication of consistency. Let's hope he will show us another great one at the JWC!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SkateFiguring View Post
    With one solo and one combo, both well done, I would say he's good and has great potential. Hanyu, too, has two of the best quads this season. Very impressive. The quality of their quads bodes well for consistency but not enough has been done this season to make such claim.

    eta Mura did both his quads at the same event, NHK, impressive but has he participated in more competitions since? Hanyu did his at the first and last event so far, so that's more of an indication of consistency. Let's hope he will show us another great one at the JWC!
    Apart from quad at NHK Mura land clean quad at Asian winter game. He jump fully rotate quad with negative geo at triglav trophy (I can't find the performance) and he fall on quad at Merano. Yes! his quad is not that consistent, may be his performance at NHK stuck in my mind to much. Anyway, he is the most consistent quad jumper form Japan after Oda (or even more comparing the event he and Oda participated this season with the quad land, I'm really not sure about the number). And with his technique ability I think he deserve more international competition.

    Machida land quad last season and at the begining of last year, I don't know what happen to his consistency after the grand prix season started.
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    Oda has one successful quad (0 GOE) and the best quad combo this season but he falls on all his other attempts, so I wouldn't call him consitent either. The number does show that he does them in his program regularly, as do Chan, Reynolds and Takahashi. (I'm not sure which of the Europeans do them in every competition.) There are more quads landed by the Eoropeans than by the Japanese. Other than Chan, quad is not a stong suit of the top Men, demonstrating that it's just another arsenal among the many the best competitors have. But it makes it so much more dangerous when one of the top guys has it dependably.

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