Then it means that Mura is the most suscessful japannese guy in landing clean quad in term of quantity this season (combo count) since he has three clean quad while Oda land only two!
It seems skaters who are really consistent on quad are Chan since GPF and Van der Perren.
Last edited by treeloving; 03-01-2011 at 01:18 PM.
Not so fast. Has Hanyu done them outside of NHK and 4CC? He has the best quality among the Japanese but hasn't done many of them, either because of lack of opportunities or that he doesn't do it in every competition. It also appears that NHK yielded the bumper crop of successful quads from the Japanese who then lost momentum.
Being inconsistent doesn't mean Oda and Kozuka can't pull of the most beautiful ones at Worlds. I'm less sure of Dai's chances.
eta I must include Fernandez among the best quad jumpers. Gachinsky is not shabby either. Reynolds seems to have lost his sparks this season after making history in SC. Too bad, because he ready is good at them, for years now. Maybe the attention by the media pitting him against Chan at the Canadian Nationals got to him and the poor showing carried over to the 4CC.
Last edited by SkateFiguring; 03-01-2011 at 01:33 PM.
Oh yeah, I forgot that Yuzuru did another quad at regional competition, but that quad landing look a bit..... to me. In sheet Hanyu try quad in his LP at every competition but at cup of Russia and japanese national he triple them, the less three(NHK, Regional and 4CC) he land it.
The point I make about Mura, I intend to talk about quantity not quality.
Artur Gachinski did quad loop on the trainings before the WC: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roZs3IvlSGg
Maybe he will try to do it at the WC.
wow impressive, so that's why they are sending Artur (instead of champ Menshov)... or that Mishin lobbied for him.Originally Posted by Shlepa
If jumps landed outside of a program in practice count, here's Menshov landing not only a quad loop, but a quad/quad combo (albeit a downgradable one): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fx3GnlX4TlY
It's hard to tell if these practice quads are fully rotated or not. Menshov's second quads of the combo are all two-footed for sure.
It all comes down to doing it in a program in a competion.
Yeah, it's hard to imagine that the second of that quad/quad combo wouldn't get a << in competition. And doing it in practice and not even in a program is miles away from doing it in competition (it's still an impressive attempt and as long as he didn't injure himself good on Menshov for trying!). Even Plushenko, who may be one of the most talented jump rotators in skating history, has landed every kind of quad (except the axel? maybe that too?) in practice, but only ever landed the quad toe in competition!
bibi24, the reason the Russian Federation is sending him to Worlds instead of Menshov isn't because of what he lands in practice, but solely based on his superior results this season in international competition (Menshov has finished lower than Gachinski at every international competition they were competing together in this season, and had some low finishes even in b events). Unlike the US federation, the Russian Federation never decide on their World team solely based on nationals results. Even the national champion is guaranteed nothing. Their athletes must prove themselves internationally, something Gachinski did better than Menshov.
FINAL EDITION:
Solo Quads
Chan, CA NAT LP............4T 10.30 + 2.83 = 13.13
Joubert WC LP................4T 10.30 + 2.57 = 12.87
Kozuka, WC LP ..............4T 10.30 + 2.29 = 12.59
Chan, CA NAT SP............4T 10.30 + 2.17 = 12.47
KVDP, WC LP .................4T 10.30 + 2.14 = 12.44
Chan, SC LP...................4T 10.30 + 2.00 = 12.30
Hanyu, 4CC LP................4T 10.30 + 2.00 = 12.30
Fernandez, SC LP............4T 10.30 + 1.71 = 12.01
Gachinsky WC LP ............4T 10.30 + 1.71 = 12.01
Chan, GPF LP..................4T 10.30 + 1.29 = 11.59
Chan, WC LP ..................4T 10.30 + 1.29 = 11.59
Fernandez, Euro LP..........4T 10.30 + 1.29 = 11.59
Van der Perren, Euro LP...4T 10.30 + 1.29 = 11.59
Hanyu, NHK LP................4T 10.30 + 1.20 = 11.50
Schultheiss, SA LP...........4T 10.30 +1.00 = 11.30
Takahashi, NHK LP...........4T 10.30 + 1.00 = 11.30
Verner, Euro LP...............4T 10.30 + 1.00 = 11.30
Reynolds, SC LP..............4S 10.50 + 0.71 = 11.21
Menshov, Euro LP............4T 10.30 + 0.86 = 11.16
Reynolds, TEB LP.............4S 10.50 + 0.57 = 11.07
Bradley, WC LP ................4T 10.30 + 0.71 = 11.01
Brezina WC LP ................4T 10.30 + 0.71 = 11.01
Gachinski, Euro LP............4T 10.30 + 0.71 = 11.01
Reynolds, SC SP..............4T 10.30 + 0.71 = 11.01
Brezina, WC LP ...............4S 10.50 + 0.29 = 10.79
Fernandez WC LP ............4T 10.30 + 0.43 = 10.73
Mroz COC LP...................4T 10.30 + 0.43 = 10.73
Joubert, Euro LP..............4T 10.30 + 0.29 = 10.59
Van der Perren, SA LP......4T 10.30 + 0.14 = 10.44
Mura, NHK LP...................4T 10.30 + 0.00 = 10.30
Oda, SC LP.....................4T 10.30 + 0.00 = 10.30
Van der Perren, NHK LP.....4T 10.30 + 0.00 = 10.30
Mroz, TEB LP...................4T 10.30 - 0.14 = 10.14
Fernandez, WC LP ...........4S 10.50 -0.43 = 10.07
Besseghier, Fr NAT LP.......4T 10.30 -0.33 = 9.97
Gachinski, SC LP...............4T 10.30 - 1.00 = 9.30
kozuka, COC LP................4T 10.30 - 1.00 = 9.30
Messing, US NAT LP..........4T 10.30 - 1.00 = 9.30
Reynolds, CA NAT SP........4T 10.30 - 1.00 = 9.30
kozuka, TEB LP.................4T 10.30 -1.29 = 9.01
Bradley, US NAT LP...........4T 10.30 - 2.43 = 7.87
Oda, WC SP.....................4T 10.30 -2.43 = 7.87
Reynolds, CA NAT LP.........4T 10.30 -2.50 = 7.80
Fernandez, COR LP............4T 10.30 - 2,57 = 7.73
Machida, JP NAT LP............4T 10.30 - 2.60 = 7.70
Verner, CZ NAT LP.............4T 10.30 - 2.75 = 7.55
Chan, SC SP....................4T 10.30 - 3.00 = 7.30
Gachinski, SC SP...............4T+C 10.30 - 3.00 = 7.30
Guan, 4CC LP...................4T 10.30 - 3.00 = 7.30
Guan, COC SP..................4T 10.30 - 3.00 = 7.30
Guan, COC LP...................4T 10.30 - 3.00 = 7.30
Joubert, WC SP...............4T+combo 10.30 - 3.00 = 7.30
Kozuka, JP NAT LP............4T 10.30 - 3.00 = 7.30
Machida, COC LP..............4T 10.30 - 3.00 = 7.30
Oda, JP NAT SP................4T 10.30 - 3.00 = 7.30
Oda, JP NAT LP................4T 10.30 - 3.00 = 7.30
Oda, SA LP......................4T 10.30 - 3.00 = 7.30
Reynolds, 4CC LP..............4T 10.30 - 3.00 = 7.30
Verner, WC SP..................4T 10.30 - 3.00 = 7.30
Joubert, COC LP................4T< 7.20 - 1.00 = 6.20
Schultheiss, Euro LP...........4T< 7.20 -1.00 = 6.20
Chan, GPF SP....................4T< 7.20 - 1.14 = 6.06
Kozuka, GPF LP..................4T< 7.20 - 1.57 = 5.63
Machida, COR LP................4T< 7.20 - 2.14 = 5.06
Murakami JP NAT LP............4S< 7.40 - 3.00 = 4.40
Reynolds, 4CC LP................4S< 7.40 - 3.00 = 4.40
Reynolds, WC LP ................4S< 7.40 - 3.00 = 4.40
Reynolds, WC SP.................4S< 7.40 - 3.00 = 4.40
Mroz, UA NAT LP.................4T< 7.20 - 2.86 = 4.30
Abbott, 4CC LP...................4T< 7.20 - 3.00 = 4.20
Abbott, COR LP...................4T< 7.20 - 3.00 = 4.20
Chan, COR LP......................4T< 7.20 - 3.00 = 4.20
Oda, GPF LP.......................4T< 7.20 - 3.00 = 4.20
KVDP, WC .........................4T< 7.20 - 3.00 =4.20
Preaubert FR NAT LP............4T< 7.20 -3.00 = 4.20
Preaubert, COR LP...............4T< 7.20 - 3.00 =4.20
Reynolds, 4CC SP................4T< 7.20 - 3.00 = 4.20
Reynolds, WC LP .................4T< 7.20 - 3.00 = 4.20
Reynolds,TEB SP.................4T< 7.20 - 3.00 = 4.20
Reynolds, TEB LP.................4T< 7.20 - 3.00 = 4.20
Vasicek, CZ NAT LP ............4T< 7.20 - 3.00 = 4.20
Takahashi, GPF LP...............4F<< 5.30 - 1.80 = 3.50
Takahashi, JP NAT LP...........4F<< 5.30 -1.82 = 3.48
Carriere, SA LP....................4T<< 4.10 - 2.10 = 2.00
Takahashi, 4CC LP...............4T<< 4.10 - 2.10 = 2.00
Verner , WC LP ..................4T<< 4.10 - 2.10 = 2.00
Quad Combinations
Chan, WC LP .....................4T + 3T 14.40 + 2.43 = 16.83
Oda, GPF SP......................4T+3T 14.40 + 2.29 = 16.69
Chan, CA NAT LP................4T+3T+C 14.40 + 2.00 = 16.40
Chan, WC SP.....................4T+3T 14.40 + 1.86 = 16.26
Chan, COR SP....................4T+3T 14.40 + 1.86 = 16.26
Gachinsky, WC SP..............4T+3T 14.40 + 1.57 = 15.97
Gachinski, Euro SP..............4T+3T 14.40 + 1.29 = 15.69
KVDP, Euro SP...................4T+3T 14.40 + 1.29 = 15.69
Mura, NHK SP....................4T+3T 14.40 + 1.14 = 15.54
Reynolds SC SP..................4S+3T 14.6 + 0.71 = 15.31
Besseghier TEB SP..............4T+3T 14.40 + 0.71 = 15.11
Joubert, COC SP.................4T+3T 14.40 + 0.71 = 15.11
Reynolds, SC LP..................4T+3T 14.40 + 0.71 = 15.11
Bradley, US NAT SP.............4T+3T 14.40 + 0.57 = 14.97
Mroz, COC SP.....................4T+3T 14.40 + 0.00 = 14.40
Mroz, TEB SP......................4T+3T 14.40 - 1.00 = 13.40
Menshov, Euro LP................4T+2T 11.70 + 1.14 = 12.84
Menshov, COR SP................4T+2T 11.70 + 0.71 = 12.41
Gachinski, COR SP................4T+2T 11.70 + 0.43 = 12.13
Bradley, WC SP....................4T+2T 11.70 + 0.00 = 11.70
Mroz, NAT SP......................4T+2T 11.70 - 0.71 = 10.99
Joubert, Euro SP..................4T+2T 11.70 - 1.29 = 10.41
Joubert, FR Nat SP...............4T+2T 11.70 - 1.33 = 10.37
Reynolds, TEB SP.................4S<+3T 11.50 - 1.14 = 10.36
Voronov, COC SP.................4T+1T 10.70 - 3.00 = 7.70
Reynolds, CA NAT SP............4S<+2T+C 8.80 - 2.00 = 6.80
Bradley, US NAT LP...............4T + seq 8.24 -2.43 = 5.81
Bradley, WC LP ....................4T<+1T< 7.50 - 2.57 = 4.93
Joubert, TEB SP....................4T<+1T 7.60 - 3.00 = 4.60
Schultheiss, Euro SP......,.......4T<+combo 7.20 - 3.00 = 4.20
Random notes:
Joubert and Kozuka finally did their rare beautiful quads this season. KVDP, Gachinsky, Brezina, and Bradly all did their best quads at WC too, though Bradley bombed a combo. 6 PB and in Kozuka's case, the only successful quad this season, 2nd best at WC. Did the special ice help?
Despite doing the 3rd best quad of the WC, KVDP finished 18th. Fernandez had 2 decent quads and finished 10th.
Verner's quad really cost him.
Chan edged out Oda for best combo.
Last edited by SkateFiguring; 05-05-2011 at 07:53 PM.
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