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    Highest PCS of The Season

    Men:

    CHAN...............87.22 GPF
    TAKAHASHI.......85.00 SA
    CHAN...............84.14 SC
    TAKAHASHI.......83,58 NHK
    CHAN................81.30 COR
    TAKAHASHI........81.00 GPF
    KOZUKA.............80.80 TEB
    ODA.................79.64 SA
    ODA.................78.64 GPF
    VENER...............78.12 COR
    KOZUKA.............77.64 GPF
    ABBOTT.............77.34 COR
    AMODIO.............76.50 TEB
    ABBOTT.............76.42 NHK
    VERNER..............75.56 COC
    RIPPON..............75.16 SC
    KOZUKA.............74.70 COC
    ODA..................74.28 SC
    VERNER..............73.92 GPF
    JOUBERT............72.50 COC
    RIPPON..............72.24 SA
    AMODIO.............70.02 NHK



    LADIES:

    CZISNY..............61.47 SC
    CZISNY..............61.31 GPF
    KOSTNER............60.91 GPF
    SUZUKI..............60.23 COR
    KOSTNER............59.54 NHK
    KOSTNER............58.45 SA
    ANDO.................58.06 GPF
    ANDO.................57.82 COR
    SUZUKI...............57.28 GPF
    MURAKAMI..........57.14 GPF
    PHANEUF.............57.04 SC
    KORPI.................56.63 TEB
    CZISNY...............56.40 TEB
    ASADA................56.22 TEB
    SUZUKI...............56.13 COC
    KORPI.................55.84 NHK
    ANDO..................55.60 COC
    WAGBER..............55.54 COR
    MURAKAMI...........55.43 SA
    NAGASU..............55.09 TEB
    FLATT................53.99 SA
    LACOSTE.............53.53 SC
    MURAKAMI...........52,52 NHK
    FLATT.................52.48 NHK
    MAKAROVA...........51.77 SC
    PHANEUF.............51.59 TEB
    WAGNER...............51.48 NHK
    SAMSON...............50.07 SC
    GEDEVANISHVILI.....50.04 NHK
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    I love how the list goes Chan-Takahashi and repeats three times! In the ladies, it's mostly Czisny and Kostner at the top. Is it possible for you to put in the SP scores too, if you have the time? (Don't feel obliged.)

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    Men's sp:

    Takahashi...........42.43 SA
    Takahashi...........42.00 GPF
    Chan...................41.82 GPF
    Takahshi.............41.21 NHK
    Chan...................40.42 COR
    Oda.....................39.68 SA
    Chan...................39.47 SC
    Abbott................38.54 COR
    Oda.....................38.53 GPF
    Kozuka................38.47 GPF
    Abbott................38.35 NHK
    Oda.....................38.00 SC
    Kozuka................37.29TEB
    Verner.................37.15 COR
    Rippon.................37.11 SA
    Joubert...............37.01 COC
    Verner.................36.61 CPF
    Verner.................36.55 COC
    Rippon.................36.43 SC
    Joubert...............36.11 TEB
    Kozuka................36.10 COC
    Amodio................36.10 TEB
    Preaubert............34.29 COR
    Preaubert............34.14 SC
    Reynolds.............34.06 SC
    Voronov..............33.93 COC
    Michida................33.62 COC
    Swayer................33.57 NHK
    Contesti..............33.46 COC
    Gachinski.............33.46 COR
    Swayer.................33.31 SA
    Amodio........ ........33.26 GPF
    D. Ten........... .......33.07 NHK
    D. Ten...................33.00 SA
    Amodio........ ........32.83 NHK
    Gachinski..... ........32.43 SC
    Fernandez....... .....32.42 SC
    Hanyu...................31.46 NHK
    Mroz.............. ......31.33 COS


    LADIES' SP
    Kostner...............30.60 GPF
    Czisny.................30.14 GPF
    Kostner...............29.80 SA
    Kostner...............29.75 NHK
    Korpi...................29.31 TEB
    Asada..................28.95 NHK
    Ando....................28.78 GPF
    Korpi...................28.71 NHK
    Murakami.............28.43 GPF
    Phaneuf...............28.26 SC
    Suzuki.................28.20 GPF
    Ando....................28.12 COC
    Nagasu................27.63 TEB
    Czisny.................27.58 SC
    Suzuki..................27.51 COC
    Asada..................27.44 TEB
    Czisny..................27.42 TEB
    Suzuki..................27.30 COR
    Murakami..............27.20 SA
    Nagasu.................27.03 COC
    Ando.....................26.97 COR
    Flatt....................26.74 SA
    Phaneuf.................26.55 TEB
    Marakova..............26.46 SC
    Makarova..............26.39 COR
    Murakami...............26.29 NHK
    Wagner..................25.94 COR
    Gedevanishvili.......25.86 NHK
    Gedevanishvili.......25.86 SA
    Leonova................25.63 COR
    Wagner..................25.59 NHK
    Flatt.....................25.40 NHK
    Lacoste.................25.39 SA
    Suguri...................25.36 TEB
    Flatt......................25.31 GPF
    Lacoste.................25.34 SC
    Imai........................25.26 TEB
    Leonova...............25.22 COC
    Marchei..................25.17 COR

    A few names may be missing form the mix at the bottom of the Ladies' list as I was deciding on the cut off number.

    Glad to oblige, bB.
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    I'm not fascinated by Personal Bests or High PCs because they are derived by one competition panel and we do not know if that skater with high PCs can get an equal amount from another panel.

    I would be more interested if the PCs were averaged out over time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkateFiguring View Post
    Men's sp:

    LADIES' SP

    Czisny.................33.62 GPF
    Murakami.............33.04 GPF
    Kostner...............31.53 GPF
    Suzuki.................30.06 GPF
    Kostner...............29.80 SA
    Kostner...............29.75 NHK
    Korpi...................29.31 TEB
    Asada..................28.95 NHK
    Korpi...................28.71 NHK
    Phaneuf...............28.26 SC
    Ando....................28.12 COC
    Nagasu................27.63 TEB
    Czisny.................27.58 SC
    Suzuki..................27.51 COC
    Asada..................27.44 TEB
    Czisny..................27.42 TEB
    Suzuki..................27.30 COR
    Murakami..............27.20 SA
    Nagasu.................27.03 COC
    Ando.....................26.97 COR
    Flatt....................26.74 SA
    Phaneuf.................26.55 TEB
    Marakova..............26.46 SC
    Makarova..............26.39 COR
    Murakami...............26.29 NHK
    Wagner..................25.94 COR
    Gedevanishvili.......25.86 NHK
    Gedevanishvili.......25.86 SA
    Leonova................25.63 COR
    Wagner..................25.59 NHK
    Flatt.....................25.40 NHK
    Lacoste.................25.39 SA
    Suguri...................25.36 TEB
    Lacoste.................25.34 SC
    Imai........................25.26 TEB
    Leonova...............25.22 COC
    Marchei..................25.17 COR

    A few names may be missing form the mix at the bottom of the Ladies' list as I was deciding on the cut off number.

    Glad to oblige, bB.
    I'm sorry...I've noticed (in at least the first three names) that you've copied the element score instead of the program components..in fact the first two should be:

    Carolina Kostner 30.60 GPF
    Alissa Cziny 30.14 GPF

    I don't know the others sorry...I just noticed these two...

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    Thanks Tanja for catching those mistakes. I know how it happened for me and have now corrected them.

    Don't be shy about checking these data please.

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    Chan is so close to getting 100 which I guess would be like getting a 6.0. Harder to get a 100 than a 6.0 but if Chan was ever completely clean on jumps and made no mistakes at all he would be so close to a 100! Though it could happen at Canadian nationals this year. One of the nationals I am most interested in because I would like to see if Chan gets a 100 in PCS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmyers View Post
    Chan is so close to getting 100 which I guess would be like getting a 6.0. Harder to get a 100 than a 6.0 but if Chan was ever completely clean on jumps and made no mistakes at all he would be so close to a 100! Though it could happen at Canadian nationals this year. One of the nationals I am most interested in because I would like to see if Chan gets a 100 in PCS.
    I want to see if he gets a 100+ SP! Didn't he get 90 something WITHOUT the quad last year.

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    There's no limit on TES but theorectically it could top at around 100 currently for a LP, which is why there's a factor of 2 for LP PCS so the PCS would top out at 100, comprising about 50% of total marks. Because there's a top in PCS, it's similar to 6.0 in that PCS are scored relative to other skaters. So I guess 100 is absolute perfection and better than all other competitors. The standard for 100 could change with the time and the standard of skating as well. I think Takahashi still has an upper hand on the PCS relative to his TES but obviously right now he and Chan are out in front. PCS are also more stable and reliable for skaters while some technical elements can be high risk.

    In my personal opinion, Kozuka is a little underscored and Amodio is overscored. Maybe it's just that I'm not too appreciative of the French presentation/performance style.

    eta I know PCS are not just about presentation/performance, but I also see a big gap in Amodio's skating skills relative to the top men. For me, Dai, Koz, Nobu, Patrick and Jeremy are in a league above the rest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gmyers View Post
    Chan is so close to getting 100 which I guess would be like getting a 6.0. Harder to get a 100 than a 6.0 but if Chan was ever completely clean on jumps and made no mistakes at all he would be so close to a 100! Though it could happen at Canadian nationals this year. One of the nationals I am most interested in because I would like to see if Chan gets a 100 in PCS.
    100 in PCS would mean 10s (perfect score) for all five components in a free program. And in other disciplines, after the factoring, the total wouldn't even be that high.

    Anyway, I would expect 10s from all judges (or all but one, since the low mark will be dropped) on all components to be a nearly unattainable ideal. It could happen in our lifetime, but it will be a magical moment when everything just comes together, like Torvill & Dean's rows of 6.0s at 1984 Olympics. I think we'll have to get used to some judges giving 10s for some components for several years, probably several Olympic cycles, before any judges, much less all of them, are wowed enough to give 10s for all five components.

    And I think it's more likely to happen in a free dance or short program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkateFiguring View Post
    There's no limit on TES but theorectically it could top at around 100 currently for a LP, which is why there's a factor of 2 for LP PCS so the PCS would top out at 100, comprising about 50% of total marks. Because there's a top in PCS, it's similar to 6.0 in that PCS are scored relative to other skaters. So I guess 100 is absolute perfection and better than all other competitors. The standard for 100 could change with the time and the standard of skating as well. I think Takahashi still has an upper hand on the PCS relative to his TES but obviously right now he and Chan are out in front. PCS are also more stable and reliable for skaters while some technical elements can be high risk.

    In my personal opinion, Kozuka is a little underscored and Amodio is overscored. Maybe it's just that I'm not too appreciative of the French presentation/performance style.

    eta I know PCS are not just about presentation/performance, but I also see a big gap in Amodio's skating skills relative to the top men. For me, Dai, Koz, Nobu, Patrick and Jeremy are in a league above the rest.
    I think Jeremy is definitely underscored and especially so when compared to Amodio. He should have been much higher in PCS than Amodio in NHK. I think Abbott should be getting more stuff in the 8s and the 9s. There should not be that much of a gap between him and Dai/Chan.

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    Thank you, SkateFiguring, for taking the time to compile these statistics. There is a lot of interesting stuff here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Joesitz View Post
    I would be more interested if the PCs were averaged out over time.
    Here are the top averages this season, averaged over the three major ISU events. (Skaters so indicated have only have only two.)

    Men's LP

    Chan 84.22
    Takahashi 83.19
    Kozuka 77.71
    Oda 77.52
    Abbott(2) 76.88
    Verner 75.87

    Ladies LP. If you want to compare the top ladies to the top men, in the second column are the ladies scores with the men's multipliers applied.)

    Czisny 59.73 (74.66)
    Kostner 59.63 (74.54)
    Suzuki 57.83 (72.29)
    Ando 57.16 (71.45)
    Korpi(2) 56.24 (70.30)
    Murakami 55.03 (68.75)

    Interesting that the men totally crush the ladies in program components. Ladies, ladies! Try to skate more gracefully!

    Men's SP

    Takahash 44.88
    Chan 40.57
    Oda 38.73
    Abbott(2) 38.44
    Kozuka 37.28
    Verner 36.77
    Rippon(2) 36.77

    Ladies' SP

    Kostner 30.05 (37.56)
    Korpi(2) 29.01
    Czisny 28.36
    Ando 28.00
    Asada(2) 28.00
    Suzuki 27.67

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    Murakami 55.03 (68.75)

    Interesting that the men totally crush the ladies in program components. Ladies, ladies! Try to skate more gracefully!
    Don't you mean to encourage the ladies to skate more like men?

    Maybe there should be a program component of Grace and Flexibility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SkateFiguring View Post
    There's no limit on TES but theorectically it could top at around 100 currently for a LP...
    I suppose, strictly speaking, there is an uper bound on TES. A skater could max out his jumping passes (starting with two quad Axels, one in combination), then get all level 4's and the maximum GOEs. Maybe around 200 points in all?

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    1. While Chan's getting close, it's those last steps that are the hardest. Giving a ten isn't something judges will do lightly - you can't politic perfection. Right now, I can think of only three skaters that have earned ten in international competition: Virtue/Moir (Skate Canada 09, Olympics, Worlds 2010), Davis/White (Olympics, Worlds 2010) and Savchenko/Szolkowy (SC 2009).

    2. Even then, it's not like he's THAT close. If you do PCS on a percentage basis (showing us just how close to perfect the skater is), you see a slightly different picture.

    Virtue/Moir, Worlds 2010 FD: Perfection - 60. They scored 57.93. Percent of 100? 96.55
    Davis/White, Worlds 2010 FD: 56.79, for 94.65

    Kim, Olympics FD: Perfection - 80. Her score 71.76. Percent: 89.7

    Shen/Zhao, Olympics FD: Perfection - 80. Score: 72.40. Percent: 90.5
    Pang/Tong, Olympics FD: Score 71.28. Percent: 89.1
    Savchenko/Szolkowy, Olympics FD: Score: 70.56. Percent: 88.2

    3. And of course, standards of PCS scoring are different. Skaters were rarely marked in the 9's before last season. Now some skaters would be disappointed with an 8.75. If Chan (or anyone, but lets be realistic here) has a multi-fall performance and beats a relatively clean skate for the podium, I think we might see a shift in how they're scored. Hell, V/M's highest FD PCS was for a program that had one visible error and wasn't as "on" as it was earlier in the year.

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