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Highest PCS of The Season

Violet Bliss

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Men:

CHAN...............87.22 GPF
TAKAHASHI.......85.00 SA
CHAN...............84.14 SC
TAKAHASHI.......83,58 NHK
CHAN................81.30 COR
TAKAHASHI........81.00 GPF
KOZUKA.............80.80 TEB
ODA.................79.64 SA
ODA.................78.64 GPF
VENER...............78.12 COR
KOZUKA.............77.64 GPF
ABBOTT.............77.34 COR
AMODIO.............76.50 TEB
ABBOTT.............76.42 NHK
VERNER..............75.56 COC
RIPPON..............75.16 SC
KOZUKA.............74.70 COC
ODA..................74.28 SC
VERNER..............73.92 GPF
JOUBERT............72.50 COC
RIPPON..............72.24 SA
AMODIO.............70.02 NHK



LADIES:

CZISNY..............61.47 SC
CZISNY..............61.31 GPF
KOSTNER............60.91 GPF
SUZUKI..............60.23 COR
KOSTNER............59.54 NHK
KOSTNER............58.45 SA
ANDO.................58.06 GPF
ANDO.................57.82 COR
SUZUKI...............57.28 GPF
MURAKAMI..........57.14 GPF
PHANEUF.............57.04 SC
KORPI.................56.63 TEB
CZISNY...............56.40 TEB
ASADA................56.22 TEB
SUZUKI...............56.13 COC
KORPI.................55.84 NHK
ANDO..................55.60 COC
WAGBER..............55.54 COR
MURAKAMI...........55.43 SA
NAGASU..............55.09 TEB
FLATT................53.99 SA
LACOSTE.............53.53 SC
MURAKAMI...........52,52 NHK
FLATT.................52.48 NHK
MAKAROVA...........51.77 SC
PHANEUF.............51.59 TEB
WAGNER...............51.48 NHK
SAMSON...............50.07 SC
GEDEVANISHVILI.....50.04 NHK
 
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burntBREAD

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I love how the list goes Chan-Takahashi and repeats three times! In the ladies, it's mostly Czisny and Kostner at the top. Is it possible for you to put in the SP scores too, if you have the time? (Don't feel obliged.)
 

Violet Bliss

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Men's sp:

Takahashi...........42.43 SA
Takahashi...........42.00 GPF
Chan...................41.82 GPF
Takahshi.............41.21 NHK
Chan...................40.42 COR
Oda.....................39.68 SA
Chan...................39.47 SC
Abbott................38.54 COR
Oda.....................38.53 GPF
Kozuka................38.47 GPF
Abbott................38.35 NHK
Oda.....................38.00 SC
Kozuka................37.29TEB
Verner.................37.15 COR
Rippon.................37.11 SA
Joubert...............37.01 COC
Verner.................36.61 CPF
Verner.................36.55 COC
Rippon.................36.43 SC
Joubert...............36.11 TEB
Kozuka................36.10 COC
Amodio................36.10 TEB
Preaubert............34.29 COR
Preaubert............34.14 SC
Reynolds.............34.06 SC
Voronov..............33.93 COC
Michida................33.62 COC
Swayer................33.57 NHK
Contesti..............33.46 COC
Gachinski.............33.46 COR
Swayer.................33.31 SA
Amodio........ ........33.26 GPF
D. Ten........... .......33.07 NHK
D. Ten...................33.00 SA
Amodio........ ........32.83 NHK
Gachinski..... ........32.43 SC
Fernandez....... .....32.42 SC
Hanyu...................31.46 NHK
Mroz.............. ......31.33 COS


LADIES' SP
Kostner...............30.60 GPF
Czisny.................30.14 GPF
Kostner...............29.80 SA
Kostner...............29.75 NHK
Korpi...................29.31 TEB
Asada..................28.95 NHK
Ando....................28.78 GPF
Korpi...................28.71 NHK
Murakami.............28.43 GPF
Phaneuf...............28.26 SC
Suzuki.................28.20 GPF
Ando....................28.12 COC
Nagasu................27.63 TEB
Czisny.................27.58 SC
Suzuki..................27.51 COC
Asada..................27.44 TEB
Czisny..................27.42 TEB
Suzuki..................27.30 COR
Murakami..............27.20 SA
Nagasu.................27.03 COC
Ando.....................26.97 COR
Flatt....................26.74 SA
Phaneuf.................26.55 TEB
Marakova..............26.46 SC
Makarova..............26.39 COR
Murakami...............26.29 NHK
Wagner..................25.94 COR
Gedevanishvili.......25.86 NHK
Gedevanishvili.......25.86 SA
Leonova................25.63 COR
Wagner..................25.59 NHK
Flatt.....................25.40 NHK
Lacoste.................25.39 SA
Suguri...................25.36 TEB
Flatt......................25.31 GPF
Lacoste.................25.34 SC
Imai........................25.26 TEB
Leonova...............25.22 COC
Marchei..................25.17 COR

A few names may be missing form the mix at the bottom of the Ladies' list as I was deciding on the cut off number.

Glad to oblige, bB.
 
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I'm not fascinated by Personal Bests or High PCs because they are derived by one competition panel and we do not know if that skater with high PCs can get an equal amount from another panel.

I would be more interested if the PCs were averaged out over time.
 

Tanja90

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Men's sp:

LADIES' SP

Czisny.................33.62 GPF
Murakami.............33.04 GPF
Kostner...............31.53 GPF
Suzuki.................30.06 GPF
Kostner...............29.80 SA
Kostner...............29.75 NHK
Korpi...................29.31 TEB
Asada..................28.95 NHK
Korpi...................28.71 NHK
Phaneuf...............28.26 SC
Ando....................28.12 COC
Nagasu................27.63 TEB
Czisny.................27.58 SC
Suzuki..................27.51 COC
Asada..................27.44 TEB
Czisny..................27.42 TEB
Suzuki..................27.30 COR
Murakami..............27.20 SA
Nagasu.................27.03 COC
Ando.....................26.97 COR
Flatt....................26.74 SA
Phaneuf.................26.55 TEB
Marakova..............26.46 SC
Makarova..............26.39 COR
Murakami...............26.29 NHK
Wagner..................25.94 COR
Gedevanishvili.......25.86 NHK
Gedevanishvili.......25.86 SA
Leonova................25.63 COR
Wagner..................25.59 NHK
Flatt.....................25.40 NHK
Lacoste.................25.39 SA
Suguri...................25.36 TEB
Lacoste.................25.34 SC
Imai........................25.26 TEB
Leonova...............25.22 COC
Marchei..................25.17 COR

A few names may be missing form the mix at the bottom of the Ladies' list as I was deciding on the cut off number.

Glad to oblige, bB.

I'm sorry...I've noticed (in at least the first three names) that you've copied the element score instead of the program components..in fact the first two should be:

Carolina Kostner 30.60 GPF
Alissa Cziny 30.14 GPF

I don't know the others sorry...I just noticed these two...
 

Violet Bliss

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Thanks Tanja for catching those mistakes. I know how it happened for me and have now corrected them.

Don't be shy about checking these data please.
 

gmyers

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Chan is so close to getting 100 which I guess would be like getting a 6.0. Harder to get a 100 than a 6.0 but if Chan was ever completely clean on jumps and made no mistakes at all he would be so close to a 100! Though it could happen at Canadian nationals this year. One of the nationals I am most interested in because I would like to see if Chan gets a 100 in PCS.
 

Mrs. P

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Chan is so close to getting 100 which I guess would be like getting a 6.0. Harder to get a 100 than a 6.0 but if Chan was ever completely clean on jumps and made no mistakes at all he would be so close to a 100! Though it could happen at Canadian nationals this year. One of the nationals I am most interested in because I would like to see if Chan gets a 100 in PCS.

I want to see if he gets a 100+ SP! Didn't he get 90 something WITHOUT the quad last year.
 

Violet Bliss

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There's no limit on TES but theorectically it could top at around 100 currently for a LP, which is why there's a factor of 2 for LP PCS so the PCS would top out at 100, comprising about 50% of total marks. Because there's a top in PCS, it's similar to 6.0 in that PCS are scored relative to other skaters. So I guess 100 is absolute perfection and better than all other competitors. The standard for 100 could change with the time and the standard of skating as well. I think Takahashi still has an upper hand on the PCS relative to his TES but obviously right now he and Chan are out in front. PCS are also more stable and reliable for skaters while some technical elements can be high risk.

In my personal opinion, Kozuka is a little underscored and Amodio is overscored. Maybe it's just that I'm not too appreciative of the French presentation/performance style.

eta I know PCS are not just about presentation/performance, but I also see a big gap in Amodio's skating skills relative to the top men. For me, Dai, Koz, Nobu, Patrick and Jeremy are in a league above the rest.
 
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gkelly

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Chan is so close to getting 100 which I guess would be like getting a 6.0. Harder to get a 100 than a 6.0 but if Chan was ever completely clean on jumps and made no mistakes at all he would be so close to a 100! Though it could happen at Canadian nationals this year. One of the nationals I am most interested in because I would like to see if Chan gets a 100 in PCS.

100 in PCS would mean 10s (perfect score) for all five components in a free program. And in other disciplines, after the factoring, the total wouldn't even be that high.

Anyway, I would expect 10s from all judges (or all but one, since the low mark will be dropped) on all components to be a nearly unattainable ideal. It could happen in our lifetime, but it will be a magical moment when everything just comes together, like Torvill & Dean's rows of 6.0s at 1984 Olympics. I think we'll have to get used to some judges giving 10s for some components for several years, probably several Olympic cycles, before any judges, much less all of them, are wowed enough to give 10s for all five components.

And I think it's more likely to happen in a free dance or short program.
 

Mrs. P

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There's no limit on TES but theorectically it could top at around 100 currently for a LP, which is why there's a factor of 2 for LP PCS so the PCS would top out at 100, comprising about 50% of total marks. Because there's a top in PCS, it's similar to 6.0 in that PCS are scored relative to other skaters. So I guess 100 is absolute perfection and better than all other competitors. The standard for 100 could change with the time and the standard of skating as well. I think Takahashi still has an upper hand on the PCS relative to his TES but obviously right now he and Chan are out in front. PCS are also more stable and reliable for skaters while some technical elements can be high risk.

In my personal opinion, Kozuka is a little underscored and Amodio is overscored. Maybe it's just that I'm not too appreciative of the French presentation/performance style.

eta I know PCS are not just about presentation/performance, but I also see a big gap in Amodio's skating skills relative to the top men. For me, Dai, Koz, Nobu, Patrick and Jeremy are in a league above the rest.

I think Jeremy is definitely underscored and especially so when compared to Amodio. He should have been much higher in PCS than Amodio in NHK. I think Abbott should be getting more stuff in the 8s and the 9s. There should not be that much of a gap between him and Dai/Chan.
 
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Thank you, SkateFiguring, for taking the time to compile these statistics. There is a lot of interesting stuff here. :clap:

I would be more interested if the PCs were averaged out over time.

Here are the top averages this season, averaged over the three major ISU events. (Skaters so indicated have only have only two.)

Men's LP

Chan 84.22
Takahashi 83.19
Kozuka 77.71
Oda 77.52
Abbott(2) 76.88
Verner 75.87

Ladies LP. If you want to compare the top ladies to the top men, in the second column are the ladies scores with the men's multipliers applied.)

Czisny 59.73 (74.66)
Kostner 59.63 (74.54)
Suzuki 57.83 (72.29)
Ando 57.16 (71.45)
Korpi(2) 56.24 (70.30)
Murakami 55.03 (68.75)

Interesting that the men totally crush the ladies in program components. Ladies, ladies! Try to skate more gracefully! :)

Men's SP

Takahash 44.88
Chan 40.57
Oda 38.73
Abbott(2) 38.44
Kozuka 37.28
Verner 36.77
Rippon(2) 36.77

Ladies' SP

Kostner 30.05 (37.56)
Korpi(2) 29.01
Czisny 28.36
Ando 28.00
Asada(2) 28.00
Suzuki 27.67
 

Violet Bliss

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Murakami 55.03 (68.75)

Interesting that the men totally crush the ladies in program components. Ladies, ladies! Try to skate more gracefully! :)

Don't you mean to encourage the ladies to skate more like men? :think:

Maybe there should be a program component of Grace and Flexibility.
 
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There's no limit on TES but theorectically it could top at around 100 currently for a LP...

I suppose, strictly speaking, there is an uper bound on TES. A skater could max out his jumping passes (starting with two quad Axels, one in combination), then get all level 4's and the maximum GOEs. Maybe around 200 points in all?
 

ImaginaryPogue

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1. While Chan's getting close, it's those last steps that are the hardest. Giving a ten isn't something judges will do lightly - you can't politic perfection. Right now, I can think of only three skaters that have earned ten in international competition: Virtue/Moir (Skate Canada 09, Olympics, Worlds 2010), Davis/White (Olympics, Worlds 2010) and Savchenko/Szolkowy (SC 2009).

2. Even then, it's not like he's THAT close. If you do PCS on a percentage basis (showing us just how close to perfect the skater is), you see a slightly different picture.

Virtue/Moir, Worlds 2010 FD: Perfection - 60. They scored 57.93. Percent of 100? 96.55
Davis/White, Worlds 2010 FD: 56.79, for 94.65

Kim, Olympics FD: Perfection - 80. Her score 71.76. Percent: 89.7

Shen/Zhao, Olympics FD: Perfection - 80. Score: 72.40. Percent: 90.5
Pang/Tong, Olympics FD: Score 71.28. Percent: 89.1
Savchenko/Szolkowy, Olympics FD: Score: 70.56. Percent: 88.2

3. And of course, standards of PCS scoring are different. Skaters were rarely marked in the 9's before last season. Now some skaters would be disappointed with an 8.75. If Chan (or anyone, but lets be realistic here) has a multi-fall performance and beats a relatively clean skate for the podium, I think we might see a shift in how they're scored. Hell, V/M's highest FD PCS was for a program that had one visible error and wasn't as "on" as it was earlier in the year.
 

ImaginaryPogue

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I suppose, strictly speaking, there is an uper bound on TES. A skater could max out his jumping passes (starting with two quad Axels, one in combination), then get all level 4's and the maximum GOEs. Maybe around 200 points in all?

Hmmm.... Okay, refresh my memory on the jumping rules here vis-a-vis the quad, particularly repetition.
 
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Don't you mean to encourage the ladies to skate more like men? :think:

Maybe there should be a program component of Grace and Flexibility.

Point taken, :)

Still, it's kind of depressing to think that according to the IJS ladies are not as capable as men in presenting good choreography, that ladies are not as musical as men, that ladies are not as good performers (lacking in good carriage, less appealing to audiences, etc.), that their basic stoking and edge work is worse than men's, and that they cannot weave three-turns and Mohawks into their routines as deftly as men.
 

Violet Bliss

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Skaters were rarely marked in the 9's before last season. Now some skaters would be disappointed with an 8.75.

I don't see how you can make this statement when the highest PCS ever is 87.22, meaning average of 8.72 per component. No one has scored equivalence of 8.75 yet, let alone get disappointed by such a score.

Aren't all these numbers in one place handy? :)
 
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ImaginaryPogue

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I don't see how you can make this statement when the highest PCS ever is 87.22, meaning average of 8.72 per component. No one has scored equivalence of 8.75 yet, let alone get disappointed by such a score.

Aren't all these numbers in one place handy. :)

Not men, of course. But if V/M averaged 8.72 (nearly a full point less than their best) I think they'd be disappointed. Of course, that's V/M - COP babies in a PCS friendly discipline.

Also, S/Z scored one ten at the Olympics as well, so four skaters (my error)

Point taken, :)

Still, it's kind of depressing to think that according to the IJS ladies are not as capable as men in presenting good choreography, that ladies are not as musical as men, that ladies are not as good performers (lacking in good carriage, less appealing to audiences, etc.), that their basic stoking and edge work is worse than men's, and that they cannot weave three-turns and Mohawks into their routines as deftly as men.

In fairness Mathman, the ladies who can be that high aren't competing. Lest we forget, Kim and Rochette both outPCSed all the men at the Olympics, and Asada was ranked behind only Lambiel and Takahashi (should they on an even playing field). And Asada's international skates this season haven't been the best
 
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Hmmm.... Okay, refresh my memory on the jumping rules here vis-a-vis the quad, particularly repetition.

The main thing is that a quad and a triple of the same type of jump count as two different kinds of jumps, for Zayak purpses. So you can do two quad Axels and two triple Axels, for instance.

This is why a quad gives a man a great advantage over a man who is trying to score points with a lot of big triple combos.The latter skater runs into the Zayak rule and has to peter out at the end with a couple of double Axels.

Without looking it up, I think the rules are 8 jumping passes, no more than two types of jumps can be repeated, if a jump is repeated then one of the repetitions must be in a combo or sequence, a sequence counts 80% of the value of the jumps taken separately, only one combo or sequence can have more than two jumps (and only the first three count if you do 4 or more), I think there might be something about only the first two jumps count in a three-jump sequence.

New rule this year allows a jump+half-loop+something else (like a flip or Salchow that starts off the wrong edge) to count as a three-jump sequence, with the half-loop scored as a single loop.

Otherwise I think the rules about going right up on the same edge in a combo mean that only a loop or a toe-loop can be the second jump in a combo. (Possibly you could do a deliberate faulty landing on the first jump landing on the wrong foot, and get around the restriction in that way.) There is no penalty in base value for a wrong foot or wrong edge landing, but there is a -1 GOE). A Walley counts as a toe loop.

Anything else?

Edited to add: Don't forget to do all 12 of your jumps in the second half!
 
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