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    Highest Total Scores of The Season

    MEN

    Chan......................259.75 GPF
    Kozuka...................248.07 TEB
    Oda........................242.81 GPF
    Chan......................239.52 SC
    Kozuka...................237.79 GPF
    Oda........................236.52 SC
    Takahashi...............234.79 NHK
    Kozuka...................233.51 COC
    Rippon....................233.04 SC
    Verner....................230.31 COR
    Amodio...................229.38 TEB
    Chan......................227.21 COR
    Takahashi...............227.07 SA
    Oda.......................226.09 SA
    Takahashi...............219.77 GPF
    Reynolds.................218.65 SC
    Abbott....................218.19 NHK
    Abbott....................217.21 COR
    Mroz.......................216.80 COC
    Verner....................214.81 COC
    Mroz.......................214.31 TEB
    Amodio....................213.77 NHK
    Verner.....................213.64 GPF
    Mahbanoozadeh........211.17 SA
    Fernandez................210.85 SC
    Joubert....................210.29 COC


    LADIES

    Czisny.....................180.75 GPF
    Kostner...................178.60 GPF
    Murakami.................178.59 GPF
    Ando.......................174.47 COR
    Suzuki......................173.72 GPF
    Ando........................173.15 GPF
    Suzuki......................172.74 COR
    Czisny......................172.37 SC
    Ando........................172.21 COC
    Korpi........................169.74 TEB
    Nagasu.....................167.79 TEB
    Wagner.....................167.02 COR
    Makarova..................165.00 SC
    Czisny......................159.80 TEB
    Murakami..................154.93 SA
    Suzuki......................162.86 COC
    Flatt........................162,86 SA
    Kostner....................164.61 NHK
    Flatt........................161.04 NHK
    Lacoste....................157.26 SC
    Phaneuf....................156.24 SC
    Phaneuf....................155.11 TEB
    Kostner.....................154.87 SA
    Imai..........................154.54 SC
    Zawadzki...................154.35 SC
    Zawadski...................153.78 COR
    Marchei.....................153.71 COR
    Biryukova..................153.05 COR
    Samson.....................152.05 SC
    Makrova....................150.45 COR
    Murakami...................150.16 NHK
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    Quote Originally Posted by SkateFiguring View Post
    MEN

    Chan......................259.75 GPF
    Kozuka...................248.07 TEB
    Oda........................242.81 GPF
    Chan......................239.52 SC
    Kozuka...................237.79 GPF
    Oda........................236.52 SC
    Takahashi...............234.79 NHK
    Kozuka...................233.51 COC
    Rippon....................233.04 SC
    Verner....................230.31 COR
    Amodio...................229.38 TEB
    Chan......................227.21 COR
    Takahashi...............227.07 SA
    Oda.......................226.09 SA
    Takahashi...............219.77 GPF
    Reynolds.................218.65 SC
    Abbott....................218.19 NHK
    Abbott....................217.21 COR
    Mroz.......................216.80 COC
    Verner....................214.81 COC
    Mroz.......................214.31 TEB
    Amodio....................213.77 NHK
    Verner.....................213.64 GPF
    Mahbanoozadeh........211.17 SA
    Fernandez................210.85 SC
    Joubert....................210.29 COC
    Thanks skateFiguring for opening these threads and putting the records together!

    I've seen several things through this set of numbers:

    First, Skate Canada has given higher scores in general cross the board than NHK and COC have, not only given high scores to Chan.

    Second, Abbott has received such low, unacceptable scores, especially in NHK, which was almost a "crime". Don't know what was wrong about Abbott in the judges' eyes? I think it might be that he didn't attack each element powerfully enough? Even if that was the reason, his LP in NHK and his SP in COR deserved much higher scores at least in PCS.

    Third, Kozuka has come out of the shadow of Takahashi and Oda.

    Fourth, the front runners in the world now are three Japanese men Kozuka, Takahashi, Oda, and Canada's Chan.

    Fifth, so far it seems that the judges are willing to let Joubert go. Let's see if Joubert could put himself together and make a statement at Europeans. He's done it before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebonnet View Post
    Thanks skateFiguring for opening these threads and putting the records together!

    I've seen several things through this set of numbers:
    Ah, I've been waiting for someone to state the obvious from these compilations so far, which are more focused on the LP. But of course we all know Oda won all the SP golds this season.

    First, Skate Canada has given high scores in general cross the board than NHK and COC, not only given high scores to Chan.
    Very obvious now with other competitions to compare.

    Second, Abbott has received such low, unacceptable scores, especially in NHK, which was almost a "crime". Don't know what was wrong about Abbott in the judges' eyes? I think it might be that he didn't attack each element powerful enough? Even if that was the reason, his LP in NHK and his SP in COR deserved much higher scores at least in PCS.
    NHK gave out the lowest scores, being the first competition when no top competitors actually performed that well, including the reigning WC and winner of the event. Abbott hasn't exactly brought it this season. COR, another low scoring competition, saw the top two falter to give the Gold to a lesser skater. Abbott tends to do best at the home continent, which he hasn't a chance to do yet. He also tends to melt down at major international events. He seems calmer and more settled this year but his poor performance in COR is not a good sign, indicating he's a lot of mind work still to do. Lack of confidence does not sell a program well. Contrast him with Takahashi, who goes out there to sell with full force no matter his physical and mental conditions or his technical readiness. I think Abbott has an excellent LP but he has to work its technical content well. The SP is mixed in reactions received and that may be the case with the judges too.

    Third, Kozuka has come out of the shadow of Takahashi and Oda.
    I never considered him in the shadow, just younger and less seasoned. He has all aspects of a champion skater so he just has to bring it on the day. However, in my breakdown of this season's competions and potentials, his up side seems more limited than the other 3 main contenders. i.e. his TEB performance has near maxed out the program, which, of course, can still be tweaked for more points and he needs to get higher PCS. OTOH, his breaking through 80 points bodes well for continued higher PCS.

    Fourth, the front runners in the world now are three Japanese men Kozuka, Takahashi, Oda, and Canada's Chan.
    Another obvious observation. I don't like to predict/jinx but my pre GPF compilations showed me clearly Chan had the highest potential to win it. These sets of numbers too indicate him to be the front runner, especially taking into consideration of his trajectory in this season of amazing progress. He is head to head in PCS with Takahashi and on top of TES with Kozuka, at least in the LP. The ice is slippery. The mind is even more slippery. But he seems to be mentally very strong to me, more so than Oda and maybe a little more confident than Kozuka who is catching up this season in that department.

    Fifth, so far it seems that the judges are willing to let Joubert go. Let's see if Joubert could put himself together and make a statement at Europeans. He's done it before.
    Joubert is letting himself go. The judges repeatedly gave him PCS much higher than his TES to keep him off embarassingly low placements. At TEB, his performance was so miserable he had to withdraw. Joubert's competitive strength comes mainly from his quads for TES and Personal Charisma for PCS. His quads, as seen from these compiled numbers, are now so low in reliability and score so low compared to the top skaters as well as a bunch of new comers. Another huge difference maker is that these current and future top skaters have their quads as additions to their programs packed with features of high level footwork and spins. I laughed when I read some of Joubert's fans, who hated Chan and didn't bother to watch his new programs, complained and wondered how he could still get high PCS when his transitions had got to go now that he's doing quads!

    I have some thoughts/speculation about Joubert's mental state that I don't want to get into now. Suffice to say, as the representing Manly Skater, his psych is rather fragile in my observation and opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SkateFiguring View Post
    I think Abbott has an excellent LP but he has to work its technical content well. The SP is mixed in reactions received and that may be the case with the judges too.
    I like both his SP and LP. I think his LP is rather simple and slow paced compared with his last year's LP. It's excellent in telling story but I agree that its technical content needs to be added.

    On the contrary to the LP, his SP is packed. Other than no quad in it, I think his SP scores ought to be much higher at least in SS, IN, PE, CH, TR. I have to say that this SP's all 5 elements in PCS are excellent. If the judges (and those of you who didn't like his SP at the first sight) watch this program for 5 more times, they might change their mind.

    Quote Originally Posted by SkateFiguring View Post
    Joubert is letting himself go. The judges repeatedly gave him PCS much higher than his TES to keep him off embarassingly low placements. At TEB, his performance was so miserable he had to withdraw. Joubert's competitive strength comes mainly from his quads for TES and Personal Charisma for PCS. His quads, as seen from these compiled numbers, are now so low in reliability and score so low compared to the top skaters as well as a bunch of new comers. Another huge difference maker is that these current and future top skaters have their quads as additions to their programs packed with features of high level footwork and spins. I laughed when I read some of Joubert's fans, who hated Chan and didn't bother to watch his new programs, complained and wondered how he could still get high PCS when his transitions had got to go now that he's doing quads!

    I have some thoughts/speculation about Joubert's mental state that I don't want to get into now. Suffice to say, as the representing Manly Skater, his psych is rather fragile in my observation and opinion.
    I agree with some of the assessments here, but can't see how Joubert was letting himself go in COC? The judges were nitpicking and piled up all sorts of accusations which have never happened to Brian before if I'm not mistaken. Setting aside whether or not he deserved those PCSes, he has always had them. Now suddenly the judges didn't want to give it to him any more.

    COC was a let-down. I would wonder myself whether the judges have given up on me if I were him. His TEB SP was disastrous and his Nationals didn't hold him well even though he's won it. I hope he could bunce back in Euros. Who knows? My heart is heavy just to think about him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebonnet View Post
    I like both his SP and LP. I think his LP is rather simple and slow paced compared with his last year's LP. It's excellent in telling story but I agree that its technical content needs to be added.

    On the contrary to the LP, his SP is packed. Other than no quad in it, I think his SP scores ought to be much higher at least in SS, IN, PE, CH, TR. I have to say that this SP's all 5 elements in PCS are excellent. If the judges (and those of you who didn't like his SP at the first sight) watch this program for 5 more times, they might change their mind.
    I think Jeremy's LP is wonderful and packed with nuances and more subtle moves that may not be so obvious or exciting enough for some fans. Judges should appciate its sophistication and difficulty though. However, he has had issues with the technical elements of this program, messing up his spin in NHK and making too many mistakes in COR.

    His SP, OTOH, is jam packed alright, but not necessarily all with moves relating to the ice. Also, it seems many people dislike his costume so that could be another distraction he doesn't need.

    I agree with some of the assessments here, but can't see how Joubert was letting himself go in COC? The judges were nitpicking and piled up all sorts of accusations which have never happened to Brian before if I'm not mistaken. Setting aside whether or not he deserved those PCSes, he has always had them. Now suddenly the judges didn't want to give it to him any more.

    COC was a let-down. I would wonder myself whether the judges have given up on me if I were him. His TEB SP was disastrous and his Nationals didn't hold him well even though he's won it. I hope he could bunce back in Euros. Who knows? My heart is heavy just to think about him.
    Joubert simply has too many issues but I don't want to make your heart any heavier. So, my best wishes to him and to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkateFiguring View Post
    His SP, OTOH, is jam packed alright, but not necessarily all with moves relating to the ice. Also, it seems many people dislike his costume so that could be another distraction he doesn't need.
    But... I don't think that IN, CH, and PE are about the moves related to the ice. If we were talking about SS and TR in his COR's SP, what could anyone pick out which was not wonderfully excuted besides that slowed-down spin before footwork sequence?(To be precise, slow-downed spin is not included in SS and TR.)



    Quote Originally Posted by SkateFiguring View Post
    Joubert simply has too many issues but I don't want to make your heart any heavier. So, my best wishes to him and to you.
    Thanks. I respect your decision for not wanting to lay out all the issues. Just want to let you know that I probably know what you're holding back and I can take it in any way.
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    As can be seen from my many posts, I'm definitely a fan of Jeremy Abbott. With the discussion about him here, I went to rewatch his performances except for the error filled COR LP. Again I thoroughly enjoyed his NHK LP and he seemed to enjoy himself there too. However, he singled his 3A and with an UR called, his TES was low. His LP actually came in 3rd. He forfeited a SP spin entirely at NHK but rectfied it into a level 4 at COR. Good for him. His PCS are actually consistent and very good for all 4 performances. I think he could probably raise his PCS by raising his TES. The Nationals should be no problem for him and we'll likely get to see his LP performed to its potential. Then we'll see how he does at Worlds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkateFiguring View Post
    As can be seen from my many posts, I'm definitely a fan of Jeremy Abbott. With the discussion about him here, I went to rewatch his performances except for the error filled COR LP. Again I thoroughly enjoyed his NHK LP and he seemed to enjoy himself there too. However, he singled his 3A and with an UR called, his TES was low. His LP actually came in 3rd. He forfeited a SP spin entirely at NHK but rectfied it into a level 4 at COR. Good for him. His PCS are actually consistent and very good for all 4 performances. I think he could probably raise his PCS by raising his TES. The Nationals should be no problem for him and we'll likely get to see his LP performed to its potential. Then we'll see how he does at Worlds.
    I enjoyed his LP very much too. There were many sparkly movements there as of all his programs in the latest a couple of seasons. His PCS was consistently on the low side. If it were 5 - 8 points higher than he has actually gotten in any of his programs, I wouldn't think it's outragous.

    I believe you are right on raising his TES in order to raising his PCS. However, there were many skaters who have had high PCS when TES was low from time to time. Abbott was not one of them. He has to prove himself in front of international judges that he is capable of having high TES, then high PCS will follow. And then he'll have higher PCS much more easily in the subsequent competitions.

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    UPDATE:

    MEN

    Chan......................259.75 GPF
    Kozuka...................248.07 TEB
    Oda........................242.81 GPF
    Chan......................239.52 SC
    Kozuka...................237.79 GPF
    Oda........................236.52 SC
    Takahashi...............234.79 NHK
    Kozuka...................233.51 COC
    Rippon....................233.04 SC
    Verner....................230.31 COR
    Amodio...................229.38 TEB
    Chan......................227.21 COR
    Takahashi...............227.07 SA
    Amodio...................226.86 EURO
    Oda.......................226.09 SA
    Joubert...................223.01 EURO
    Verner....................222.60 EURO
    Takahashi...............219.77 GPF
    Reynolds.................218.65 SC
    Abbott....................218.19 NHK
    Abbott....................217.21 COR
    Mroz.......................216.80 COC
    Van der Perren..........216.59 EURO
    Gachinski..................216.07 EURO
    Verner....................214.81 COC
    Mroz.......................214.31 TEB
    Amodio....................213.77 NHK
    Verner.....................213.64 GPF
    Mahbanoozadeh........211.17 SA
    Fernandez................210.85 SC
    Joubert....................210.29 COC

    From this list, Reynolds, Abbott, Rippon, Mroz and Mahbanoozadeh will not be competing at Worlds. The US really has disconneted national and international scorings. Or, it has two batches of top skaters - early and late season leaders.

    LADIES

    Czisny.....................180.75 GPF
    Kostner...................178.60 GPF
    Murakami.................178.59 GPF
    Ando.......................174.47 COR
    Suzuki......................173.72 GPF
    Ando........................173.15 GPF
    Suzuki......................172.74 COR
    Czisny......................172.37 SC
    Ando........................172.21 COC
    Meier........................170.60 EURO
    Korpi........................169.74 TEB
    Kostner.....................168.54 EURO
    Nagasu.....................167.79 TEB
    Wagner.....................167.02 COR
    Korpi.........................166.40 EURO
    Makarova..................165.00 SC
    Makarova..................162.04 EURO
    Czisny.......................159.80 TEB
    Murakami..................154.93 SA
    Suzuki.......................162.86 COC
    Flatt..........................162,86 SA
    Kostner......................164.61 NHK
    Flatt..........................161.04 NHK
    Lacoste.....................157.26 SC
    Phaneuf.....................156.24 SC
    Phaneuf.....................155.11 TEB
    Kostner......................154.87 SA
    Imai..........................154.54 SC
    Zawadzki...................154.35 SC
    Leonpve.....................154.31 EURO
    Zawadski....................153.78 COR
    Marchei......................153.71 COR
    Biryukova....................153.05 COR
    Samson......................152.05 SC
    V. Helgessoni...............151.66 EURO
    Vannut.......................150.66 EURO
    Makarova....................150.45 COR
    Murakami....................150.16 NHK

    From this list, at least Lacoste, Suzuki and Nagasu will not be at Worlds. Kim and Asada who are off this list will compete.
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    Taking out repeats and those not going to Worlds and inserting the newbies (who are going) into positions as implied by the Nationals Scores list, the list of top men looks like this:

    Chan
    Kozuka
    Oda
    Takahashi
    (Bradley)
    (Sawyer)
    (Dornbush)
    (Menshov)
    (Miner)
    Verner
    Amodio
    Joubert
    (Contesti)
    Van der Perren
    Gachinski
    Fernandez

    Obviously this is not the exact way it will go down at the World Champioship and the inserted names (who have no international seniors scores or simply didn't make the list) are especially suspicious in thier placements. As most of these new names won't go to 4CC, this list is not likely to be radically modified afterward.

    For Ladies, I haven't done their Nationals so a short list of top names, with Kim and Asada yet to be added, looks like this :

    Czisny
    Kostner
    Murakami
    Ando
    Korpi
    Makarova
    Flatt
    Phaneuf
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    Thanks, SF; this is really interesting. Thanks for keeping your findings updated.

    I too spare a sigh for Joubert, Bluebonnet. I've always enjoyed his skating (when he's on). I'd like to see him continue to excel, because he brings something straightforward and rough-hewn to skating, sort of like a more refined Stojko. (Whom I also liked.) I hope he'll recover his mojo!

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    Olympia, if Joubert's nationals score were used, he would place between Bradley and Swayer. His best international score is that from the Euro, as in this list. All in all, he has improved towards the late season, competing in Europe. And since the inserted names are suspects and somewhat arbitrary, he is really in striking distance of the podium. You can keep hoping for him.

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    The ISU itself publishes the season's best total scores in each discipline (juniors included), with only the highest totals from each skater included:

    Dudes

    Dudettes

    Couples Who Jump

    Couples Who Don't

    SkateFiguring, the US doesn't have disconnected scores, it just so happens that a lot of the top US skaters at Nationals were competing in the junior circuit, and you didn't seem to compile those scores.

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    Serious Business, I don't just seem to but actually do compile only Senior scores. As for "disconnected" scoring, it was one of my two alternative depictions about the obsevation that, except for Dornbush's Junior scores, the top American international scores are by Rippon, Abbott, Mroz and Mahbanoozadeh, who all scored lower than the three National medalists domestically. That's what I meant by disconnected scoring - a big and obvious discrepancy between international and national scoring and placements.

    Obviously when I post, I'm making personal observations and opinions known in my way of expressing them in English. No claim of absolete truth is made or implied though I will sometimes defend strong beliefs.
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    In the ladies, five of the top six were in the Grand Prix Final (three of the top five men, too). Did the skaters get better and better as the season progressed, or did the judges get more and more generous? There will probably be some high scores at worlds.

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