Results 1 to 10 of 10

Thread: Miki Ando's triple-triple combinations video

  1. #1
    Custom Title
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Posts
    297

    Miki Ando's triple-triple combinations video

    Hi! Finally I managed to upload the video with Miki's triple-triples. It's here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUcZWY_uB6w

    Please enjouy, commen and share. And again, if you know any other triple-triple done by Miki please let me know if this thread, I will add it to video and reupload it.

    Here are links to previous videos:
    Irina Slutskaya's triple-triples http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxFjlJpi5MY
    Miki Ando's quad salchow attempts http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hh93A8xR_IQ

  2. #2
    GoldExpress reynycpr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Location
    Manhattan Valley, NY
    Posts
    391
    Thanks for the Vids!

  3. #3
    Skating is art, if you let it be. Blades of Passion's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    Hollywood, CA
    Posts
    3,890
    Very disappointing judging with regards to her difficult jump combinations. The 3Lutz-3Loop< at Cup of China this season should have been at least +1 GOE, but received -GOE instead. The 3Lutz was huge and the 3Loop was right at the quarter turn mark, maybe one or two degrees short, with clean outflow on the landing. The 3Lutz-3Loop<< call at the GPF was undeserved, it should have only been <.

    Several undeserved calls during the 2009 season. The call at 2009 Worlds SP was actually fair, but there should have been +GOE for the huge jumps and clean outflow (and the system was more flawed back then so the base value should have been been higher too). It was ridiculous when Ando placed below Rochette in that SP.

    Ando isn't attempting the 3-3 at all anymore because of this poor judging. Why bother when you're likely going to be slapped with -GOE for a BIG, CLEAN jump combination? The way the judges are scoring, her 3Lutz-2Loop gets just as much points and for far less risk. Boring.

    3Lutz-3Loop is incredibly hard. The secret with Loop combinations, btw, is to land a little bit short on the first jump and for the arc of the first jump to cater a little more towards distance than you might normally jump (rather than height). This maximizes the inertia created by the landing of the blade when you swing around into the Loop.

    Miki often gets into "trouble" in terms of the rotation of the second part of her 3Lutz-3Loop simply because the first jump is so BIG. Jumping that high and getting all the way around in the air (which is normally ideal) before landing doesn't leave you with as much of a snap to get back up into the 3Loop, as opposed to getting more distance on the jump and landing just a little bit short to allow the blade to keep turning on the ice and use the momentum from the first jump to get off the ice on the Loop.

    Anyway, yeah, the 3Lutz-3Loop is literally Miki's best element and yet she is so frequently snubbed when she tries it and doesn't get the credit she deserves.

  4. #4
    Custom Title
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    Texas, United States
    Posts
    4,933
    ^^ I agree. Her 3lz-3lo is amazing. The fact that the judges don't recognize that and are so stingy about giving her credit for her amazing athleticism is just bull

  5. #5
    Custom Title
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Posts
    4,827
    Quote Originally Posted by Blades of Passion View Post
    Very disappointing judging with regards to her difficult jump combinations. The 3Lutz-3Loop< at Cup of China this season should have been at least +1 GOE, but received -GOE instead. The 3Lutz was huge and the 3Loop was right at the quarter turn mark, maybe one or two degrees short, with clean outflow on the landing. The 3Lutz-3Loop<< call at the GPF was undeserved, it should have only been <.

    Several undeserved calls during the 2009 season. The call at 2009 Worlds SP was actually fair, but there should have been +GOE for the huge jumps and clean outflow (and the system was more flawed back then so the base value should have been been higher too). It was ridiculous when Ando placed below Rochette in that SP.

    Ando isn't attempting the 3-3 at all anymore because of this poor judging. Why bother when you're likely going to be slapped with -GOE for a BIG, CLEAN jump combination? The way the judges are scoring, her 3Lutz-2Loop gets just as much points and for far less risk. Boring.

    3Lutz-3Loop is incredibly hard. The secret with Loop combinations, btw, is to land a little bit short on the first jump and for the arc of the first jump to cater a little more towards distance than you might normally jump (rather than height). This maximizes the inertia created by the landing of the blade when you swing around into the Loop.

    Miki often gets into "trouble" in terms of the rotation of the second part of her 3Lutz-3Loop simply because the first jump is so BIG. Jumping that high and getting all the way around in the air (which is normally ideal) before landing doesn't leave you with as much of a snap to get back up into the 3Loop, as opposed to getting more distance on the jump and landing just a little bit short to allow the blade to keep turning on the ice and use the momentum from the first jump to get off the ice on the Loop.

    Anyway, yeah, the 3Lutz-3Loop is literally Miki's best element and yet she is so frequently snubbed when she tries it and doesn't get the credit she deserves.
    Yeah the judging on Ando is crazy often times. Discredited for perfectly able triple-triple
    combinations and yet given inflated PCS and non jump element GOEs she doesnt deserve.

  6. #6
    Custom Title
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Posts
    2,178
    Quote Originally Posted by Blades of Passion View Post
    Very disappointing judging with regards to her difficult jump combinations. The 3Lutz-3Loop< at Cup of China this season should have been at least +1 GOE, but received -GOE instead. The 3Lutz was huge and the 3Loop was right at the quarter turn mark, maybe one or two degrees short, with clean outflow on the landing. The 3Lutz-3Loop<< call at the GPF was undeserved, it should have only been <.

    Several undeserved calls during the 2009 season. The call at 2009 Worlds SP was actually fair, but there should have been +GOE for the huge jumps and clean outflow (and the system was more flawed back then so the base value should have been been higher too). It was ridiculous when Ando placed below Rochette in that SP.

    Ando isn't attempting the 3-3 at all anymore because of this poor judging. Why bother when you're likely going to be slapped with -GOE for a BIG, CLEAN jump combination? The way the judges are scoring, her 3Lutz-2Loop gets just as much points and for far less risk. Boring.

    3Lutz-3Loop is incredibly hard. The secret with Loop combinations, btw, is to land a little bit short on the first jump and for the arc of the first jump to cater a little more towards distance than you might normally jump (rather than height). This maximizes the inertia created by the landing of the blade when you swing around into the Loop.

    Miki often gets into "trouble" in terms of the rotation of the second part of her 3Lutz-3Loop simply because the first jump is so BIG. Jumping that high and getting all the way around in the air (which is normally ideal) before landing doesn't leave you with as much of a snap to get back up into the 3Loop, as opposed to getting more distance on the jump and landing just a little bit short to allow the blade to keep turning on the ice and use the momentum from the first jump to get off the ice on the Loop.

    Anyway, yeah, the 3Lutz-3Loop is literally Miki's best element and yet she is so frequently snubbed when she tries it and doesn't get the credit she deserves.


    I hate how the ISU's puritanical crackdown on underrotations have more or less killed jump combinations with the 3Lo on the back end.

  7. #7
    Custom Title
    Join Date
    Oct 2003
    Posts
    4,221
    A little off-topic, but still somewhat related, I have to say after watching Adelina Sotnikova the other day (yeah, I said previously I wouldn't watch the young Russians phenoms until they entered Seniors, but changed my mind out of curiousity, lol). Anyhow, after watching Adelina Sotnikova at the most recent Russian Nationals, I have to say EVERYBODY has to watch out for her, including Yuna Kim.

    Nobody else impressed me, not even Elizaveta, they all look & are built juniorish, whereas Adelina has successfully matured into her new body. She has it all ~ gorgeous HIGH big beautiful fully rotated jumps, including 3/3s, ala Yuna Kim ~ and she also has presentation, et al. Not really my cup of tea, but obviously the best out there.

    Right now I feel she is the only one whom can compete with Yuna Kim jump for jump, including 3/3s. I was literally blown away by her 3lutz. I think that's the highest jump I've ever seen by anyone, man or woman.

    Miki Ando & Mao Asada, et al, have to watch out. Adelina is definitely the now, not the future. She makes me worried for Mao most of all, my favorite out of all the lady skaters skating today.

  8. #8
    Custom Title
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    Sydney, Australia
    Posts
    547
    Bartkek thanks for the video! Also check out:

    2002 Japanese Nationals SP (Arguably the BEST 3lz/3lp!)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-S61...eature=related

    *Couldn't find the LP but she succeeded with the combo there too.

    2002 Worlds Jr LP
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc7FZGol7hQ

    Watching the vid reminds me how I miss the +loop combos. Especially for Miki, it must be more than just a point getter but rather a signature move that gives her a kick, pride, much like a 3axel or a quad. As a skating fan I certainly used to get such adrenalin. It looks as though the judges had a secret meeting after 2007 Worlds to specifically target ANY +3loop combos. (Blades of Passion, ITA with you)

    I'm puzzled about the calls for:
    2007 SA 3t/3l
    2008 FC
    2008 SA
    2008 JP
    2010 CC

    and even 2009 WC SP which I thought was less than 1/4 short, especially considering Mao's 3flip/3loop got credit.

    *There was an interesting discussion about this topic earlier last year
    http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/sho...past-under-CoP

    *Check out Shizuka's 3luz/3loop from August 2010 (yes she STILL does it)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPQun-K9rQs#t=0m34s
    Last edited by hikki; 01-04-2011 at 09:25 AM.

  9. #9
    Custom Title
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Posts
    4,827
    As overrated as Miki Ando is in PCS and many of her other marks she has been underrated in the past in triple-triples. She has had many unfairly downgraded which unfortunately have led to her often not even trying them now. Her triple-triples are much better than Irina Slutskayas which almost never got downgraded. Shows how much favortism there is going around in the sport.

  10. #10
    Skating is art, if you let it be. Blades of Passion's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    Hollywood, CA
    Posts
    3,890
    Not really a fair comparison considering Slutskaya hasn't been competing in this era of strict calls. She only tried the Triple-Triple a total of 3 times under CoP anyway and they all happened to be very good attempts that probably deserved to be ratified.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •