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    Which Skater will go to the Qualis for Japan?

    Poor Nobi, mess up his last season's Worlds and the points he got did not add up to 18 even with Dai winning. With Takahiko and Dai the points added up to qualify both of them.
    One must do the Quali Round which will not be difficult to place for a birth at Worlds. All 3 Japanese boys will be the Team.

    Which two should go to 4CC and which one to the Qualis? Your choice!

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    What on Earth are you talking about? The Qualis? There's no such thing.

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    ^ I think he meant that Nobu bombed so badly in the SP that he failed to qualify for the free skating event.

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    Yes, I was a little bit confused about how the new rules applies to Oda, too.

    First, the Japanese World and Four Continents teams have already been named so there is no speculation there. Kozika, Oda and Takahashi will go to Worlds and Kozuka, Takahashi and Nanri will go to Four Continents.

    For the ladies, Ando, Asada and Murakawa have been assigned to Worlds. Ando, Asada and Suzuki have been assigned to Four Continents.

    The "Quali's" is not a separate event. It is just a preliminary round prior to the short program at Worlds. (The ISU has never had a separate qualifying event to fill extra spots for Worlds, like they do for the Olympics.)

    Biut the question is, since Oda finished lower than 18th at last years worlds, does he have to skate in the preliminary round or does he go straight through to the short program on the basis of Japan qualifying three men?

    I think Oda does have to skate in the preliminary round. Is this right?

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    No, wait. Oda is higher ranked than both Kozuka and Takahashi on the ISU worlds ranking list (also on the season's ranking list).

    Am I reading the rules correctly that this means Kozuka will have to skate in the preliminary round because Oda finished lower than 18th at last year's worlds.

    And Oda goes straight through to the short program because Kozuka and Takahashi won three spots for Japanese men last year and Oda is the highest ranked Japanese man?
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    Is qualifying round (preliminary round) in the Worlds back?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post

    The "Quali's" is not a separate event. It is just a preliminary round prior to the short program at Worlds. (The ISU has never had a separate qualifying event to fill extra spots for Worlds, like they do for the Olympics.)

    Biut the question is, since Oda finished lower than 18th at last years worlds, does he have to skate in the preliminary round or does he go straight through to the short program on the basis of Japan qualifying three men?

    I think Oda does have to skate in the preliminary round. Is this right?
    So wait. They took out qualifying and then brought it back in but it's different?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blades of Passion View Post
    What on Earth are you talking about? The Qualis? There's no such thing.
    There's more to competition than following skaters. The are the Rules and Regulations. The latter of which has been revised for the Roster of the Worlds. It's a new system brought to our attention by Mrs. P. It includes a "quali round" to fill the slots of the roster after all the automatic eligibles are placed. Here is Mrs. P's explanation

    http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/sho...s-roster/page2

    In short if two skaters qualify with 13 points by last years Worlds, they go.

    If 3 skaters are proposed to go they must qualify with 18 points by last Worlds. Nobi did not add up to 18 so 2 Japanese Men will be automatic and one must go to the quali round. Which one was my question? It's up to the Fed.

    And then there is the 4CC to send two.

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    In short if two skaters qualify with 13 points by last years Worlds, they go.

    If 3 skaters are proposed to go they must qualify with 18 points by last Worlds. Nobi did not add up to 18 so 2 Japanese Men will be automatic and one must go to the quali round. Which one was my question? It's up to the Fed.
    I don't think that's quite right. I think that the rules specify which one of the three it must be and that it is not up to the Federation to choose.

    The way I understand the new rules it goes like this.

    1. Takahashi's and Kozuka's placements at 2010 Worlds together added up to thirteen or less, so Japan qualifisd three men for 2011 worlds. Oda's placement is irrelevant.

    2. Japan can send any three men they want to to 2011 Worlds. It does not have to be the ones who earned the spots. After Japanese Nationals, the Japanese federation chose to send Kozuka, Oda and Takahashi.

    3. Since the third Japanese skater (Oda) did not place in the top 18 at 2010 Worlds, only two of Japan's three men are exempt from skating in the qualifying round in 2011.

    4. The skater who must skate in the qualifying round is the one who is lowest-ranked in the ISU worlds ranking list. That's Kozuka.

    In other worlds, individuals do not win or lose anything by their placements in last year's worlds, only nations do.

    If this is the correct interpretation of the new rules, it is pretty hilarious as applied to Japanese men this year.

    And then there is the 4CC to send two.
    Japan will send three men to Four Continents. Kozuka, Takahashi and Nanri. This has alrerady been announced.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    Nationals, the Japanese federation chose to send Kozuka, Oda and Takahashi.

    3. Since the third Japanese skater (Oda) did not place in the top 18 at 2010 Worlds, only two of Japan's three men are exempt from skating in the qualifying round in 2011.

    4. The skater who must skate in the qualifying round is the one who is lowest-ranked in the ISU worlds ranking list. That's Kozuka.
    So wait. Does that mean both Nobu and Kozuka have to be in qualifying?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aftertherain View Post
    So wait. Does that mean both Nobu and Kozuka have to be in qualifying?
    No, as I understand it, just Kozuka.

    I might be all wrong, but as far as I can tell it goes like this. Individuals don't matter. The top two Japanese men at Worlds earned three places. But the third Japanese man did not make the top 18. Therefore one of the three Japanese men must do the qualifying round. The one that must do the qualifying round is the one that is lowest on the ISU rankings list.

    Mrs. P gave this example on the other thread. In ladies, the top Korean skater got second place. This qualifies two Korean ladies for this year. But Korean lady #2 did not get in the top 18. So one of he two Korean ladies -- whichever one is lower ranked in the ISU rankings list -- must skate in the qualifying round,

    Korea could send two completely different skaters than last year. The lower ranked one, according to the ISU ranking list, would have to skate the qualifying round.

    I might be all wrong, but this is what I am getting out of the new rules.
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    I see what you're saying now Joe, you just stated it in a confusion fashion.

    There is no such thing as a separate pre-Worlds qualifying competition, which is what I thought you were speaking of.

    This is a depressing topic as it only reminds how talented skaters from deep fields are constantly snubbed from being able to compete at Worlds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blades of Passion View Post
    This is a depressing topic as it only reminds how talented skaters from deep fields are constantly snubbed from being able to compete at Worlds.
    A consequence of the fact that there are no individuals in the ISU, just nations.

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    Won't Takahashi and Kozuka gain more points by participating in 4CC? Probably enough to rise above Oda in the World Standings?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SubRosa View Post
    Won't Takahashi and Kozuka gain more points by participating in 4CC? Probably enough to rise above Oda in the World Standings?
    ?...!!!!!!!!

    Yes, they will!

    I wonder if the Japanese Federation took this into account in choosing the Four Continents team?

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