01-28-2011, 08:42 AM
How old is Vanessa Lam? She's so tiny. Has she gone through her growth spurt yet? Hopefully she will grow a bit more but keep her jumps because she needs a bit more power. She will need bigger jumps to compete with the top ladies.
01-28-2011, 09:51 AM
The top US Skaters appear to be in a tie, and the probable Spoilers are close by. The LP will make the winner but seriously, did anyone actually lose?
Ladies skating, for me, is all the same. I would say only Siraj had a different style to offer.
I could argue more about the placements of the field than about the leading ladies. For example, Gilles should have been ahead of Zhang. Alexei had a stunning performance albeit with the predominant style that ladies prefer. There were others down there too that I could move around the results.
If someone were to claim that the judging was guided towards these results, I would not believe them, but it does look(kind of) that way to me.
01-28-2011, 10:25 AM
Wicked Yankee Girl
At some point in the next week or two, icenetwork will have the videos up.
Originally Posted by Layfan
01-28-2011, 11:11 AM
From the protocols it looks like Flatt changed the order of the spins in her program - any news as to why? Is it just getting used to a new program and tweeking the layout - or a lose of concentration after missing the triple-triple+
01-28-2011, 11:56 AM
At the rink. Again.
Originally Posted by lavender
01-28-2011, 12:30 PM
she takes the audience on her journey of emotions
I dunno. I agree there is a lot of similarity out there but for example I can't think of two more different styles than Alissa Czisny and Agnes Zadwadski. They are anything but the same.
Originally Posted by Joesitz
To be honest I think there are only two U.S. singles skaters right now who have a true style, Alissa and Jeremy. Well, maybe Adam.
Mirai and Rachael are still finding theirs. But I really admire Rachael for searching. I think her FS tries to do something different. I don't love it but I can appreciate what it tries to do. And I think she came really close to finding her style with her new SP.
With Mirai, I just love her skating but does anyone else wonder how much input she has in her own choreo and music? I like her FS much better than her SP. It's a bit closer to the kind of mature skating I believe she is extremely capable of. But I think Lori Nichols has yet to choreograph something really great for Mirai.
I get the feeling that Mirai is an easy skater to choreograph for as she can pull off a lot. But I'd like to see something more distinctive for her.
Last edited by Layfan; 01-28-2011 at 12:45 PM.
01-28-2011, 12:50 PM
amazing. I found out through several fan forums that Agnes skated slow, but GAO skate fast despite the slips of the change foot spin and double axel. GAO got a 25.33 in pcs, but AGNES got a 27.
GAO did a triple/triple like agnes.
I am amazed that the ASian ladies, chinese and korean got lowball in pcs. Yet the white girls got high only mirai (japanese got high)pcs.
i though gao deserved a 26 in pc's.
you take a look at the pcs scores for the white ladies you find out they are higher and you wonder why we think there is still racism in your sport.
alissa should have gotten a ur on her triple lutz , plus her single triple. By the way I am rooting for ALissa.
i was only able to watch the first group
also i can't pull up scores on icenework for the short even though they are (free).
Last edited by fairly4; 01-28-2011 at 01:01 PM.
01-28-2011, 01:08 PM
Isn't this the first time she has performed this program? What are you comparing it to?
Originally Posted by ivy
01-28-2011, 01:13 PM
Just so I understand clearly, you feel that Gao deserved about a point higher in PCS, which translates to approximately 0.25 increase in per component score, and that demonstrates racism in the sport?
Originally Posted by fairly4
01-28-2011, 01:18 PM
partly but take a look at agnes got a full point ahead of gao in the pc's. they should have been a bit closer.
i am saying gao should have gotten a 26.50 in pcs. minimum 26.
but most the asian skaters have low pcs scores 19, 20, 22. very few got 25.
vanessa got a higher pc than gao, gao 25.33,
only mirai (japanese got a 30.)
what i am saying because agnes skated slow her pc's scores should not have got a 27.she should have got a 25. despite the triple/triple. slowness plays a factor in asian pc's scores being low why not agnes. but it is a continually yearly thing . look at courtney her pcs. look at previous years.
it plays out asian/ chinese, korean gets lower pc's versus other why slow skating. yet agnes got a 27. despite skating slow.
01-28-2011, 01:26 PM
Gao skated very early, her lower PCS probably had something to do with her start order, Czisny's too. It's not neccesarily fair but that's the way it works. Had Gao not flubbed the 2a, her PCS would have probably been a bit higher and her total score would have been more like 60ish. It's ok though, it's still a good score. For the record though I prefer her and Vanessa to Agnes, Agnes seems a bit slow and boring to me. Great technician, but not the packaging. Christina has a very good draw for tomorrow, she can put the pressure on the last 3 ladies with a clean skate and skating after Vanessa and Agnes should help her PCS, just because those two will likely be getting good PCS so she probably will as well.
Originally Posted by fairly4
01-28-2011, 01:37 PM
Sounds like the top 3 did very well last night, but all three still have room to improve. I try to avoid comments like,"If so and so did this or that they'd be 1st." I'm not sure Rachael can do more spin wise, but while the 3/3 would definitely help her points, it's not as if Alissa or Mirai maxed out their points either. Alissa had an edge call of her 3flip and a tight 2ax and a level 3 layback spin. Mirai trains a 3lz/3t which would boost her scores, and also received an edge call on her 3flip. I only saw Racheal and Alissa's SPs. I thought Rachael did a nice job, best I've ever seen of her, really liked it until the frentic footwork section. And Alissa, while lovely, she seemed a bit more concentrated and not just letting it fly as she had this past fall. I hope she can have another GPF LP type of skate tomorrow!
Originally Posted by FlattFan
I really hope all the ladies come out fighting tomorrow!
01-28-2011, 01:39 PM
01-28-2011, 01:56 PM
Has anybody come across any of the other vids?
Originally Posted by R.D.
01-28-2011, 02:07 PM
Gao was fine and so was Agnes. They were the two most popular picks in the Forum as SPOILERS. Maybe one of them will take over a podium spot. Who knows? We'll all know tomorrow night.