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    Ladies prospects

    ALL SKATERS must reach a minimal TES score for both the SP and the FS. They must be in a qualified ISU competition in 2009-2010 or 2010-11 but can be earned on separate competitions. For the ladies that is 15.00 in the SP and 25 in the FS. This is more for the lower ranked skaters.

    The ISU has put in a qualifying round, but not all have to skate it. The federations will be given one direct entry into the SP for each skate they had in the Top 18 in last year's Worlds. All other entries will have to qualify for the final 12 spots for a total of 30 entries.

    DIRECTLY QUALIFIED FOR THE SHORT PROGRAM (direct entries are given to federations who had top 18 skaters from previous Worlds)

    AUS 1
    CAN 1 Cynthia Phaneuf
    CHN 1
    FIN 1 Kiira Korpi (likely)
    GBR 1 Jenna McCorkell
    GER 1
    GEO 1 Elene Gedevanishvili
    HUN 1
    ITA 1 Carolina Kostner
    JPN 1 Miki Ando
    JPN 2 Mao Asada
    JPN 3 Kanako Murakami
    KOR 1 Yu-Na Kim
    SWE 1 Joshi Helgesson
    RUS 1 Alena Leonova
    RUS 2 Ksenia Makarova
    USA 1 Alissa Czisny
    USA 2 Rachael Flatt

    (Breakdown of direct entries: 3 JPN; 2 USA; 2 RUS making up 7 of the entries. 11 more federations have one direct entry).

    Final 12 spots qualified via qualifying round (see below).
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    24.
    25.
    26.
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    28.
    29.
    30.

    QUALIFYING ROUND ENTRIES:

    MULTIPLE-SKATER NATIONS:
    The following second (or third) skaters from these countries will have to do a QR because there was no skater competing in that spot last year or a skater from that country failed to break into the top 18. The skater with the lower World Standing will be the one who will have to skate the qualifying round.

    Here are the countries with skaters who will have to skate in the QR.

    CAN 2 Myrianne Samson
    FIN 2 Beate Papp (2nd at Nationals) or Laura Lepisto* if she recovers from injury.
    ITA 2 Valentina Marchei (second at Nationals)
    KOR 2 Min-Jung Kwak (third at nationals but other skaters not age eligible)
    SWE 2 Viktoria Helgesson**

    * FINLAND NOTE: Ironically though it was Kiira (by placing 19th in last year's Worlds) that caused the necessity of QR, Laura (despite being the reigning bronze medalist) currently has the lower WS thanks to Kiira's success on the GP circuit.
    ** SWEDISH NOTE: Yes Viktoria is the current National champion and was the one who earned the second spot in the first place. But she has lower WS than her sister Joshi, who has done relatively well on the GP circuit.

    OTHER COUNTRIES LIKELY TO ENTER:
    SWI 1 - Bettina Heim
    ESP 1 - Sonia Lafuente
    EST 1 - Elena Glebova

    I will add other countries who will have a skater in the QR as I see it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs. P View Post
    ALL SKATERS must reach a minimal TES score for both the SP and the FS. They must be in a qualified ISU competition in 2009-2010 or 2010-11 but can be earned on separate competitions. For the ladies that is 15.00 in the SP and 25 in the FS. This is more for the lower ranked skaters.

    The ISU has put in a qualifying round, but not all have to skate it. The federations will be given one direct entry into the SP for each skate they had in the Top 18 in last year's Worlds. All other entries will have to qualify for the final 12 spots for a total of 30 entries.

    DIRECTLY QUALIFIED FOR THE SHORT PROGRAM (direct entries are given to federations who had top 18 skaters from previous Worlds)

    AUS 1
    CAN 1
    CHN 1
    FIN 1 Kiira Korpi (likely)
    GBR 1 Jenna McCorkell
    GER 1
    GEO 1 Elene Gedevanishvili
    HUN 1
    ITA 1 Carolina Kostner
    JPN 1 Miki Ando
    JPN 2 Mao Asada
    JPN 3 Kanako Murakami
    KOR 1 Yu-Na Kim
    SWE 1 Joshi Helgesson
    RUS 1 Alena Leonova
    RUS 2 Ksenia Makarova
    USA 1
    USA 2

    (Breakdown of direct entries: 3 JPN; 2 USA; 2 RUS making up 7 of the entries. 11 more federations have one direct entry).

    Final 12 spots qualified via qualifying round (see below).
    19.
    20.
    21.
    22.
    23.
    24.
    25.
    26.
    27.
    28.
    29.
    30.

    QUALIFYING ROUND ENTRIES:

    MULTIPLE-SKATER NATIONS:
    The following second (or third) skaters from these countries will have to do a QR because there was no skater competing in that spot last year or a skater from that country failed to break into the top 18. The skater with the lower World Standing will be the one who will have to skate the qualifying round.

    Here are the countries with skaters who will have to skate in the QR.

    CAN 2
    FIN 2 Beate Papp (2nd at Nationals) or Laura Lepisto* if she recovers from injury.
    ITA 2 Valentina Marchei (second at Nationals)
    KOR 2
    SWE 2 Viktoria Helgesson**

    * FINLAND NOTE: Ironically though it was Kiira (by placing 19th in last year's Worlds) that caused the necessity of QR, Laura (despite being the reigning bronze medalist) currently has the lower WS thanks to Kiira's success on the GP circuit.
    ** SWEDISH NOTE: Yes Viktoria is the current National champion and was the one who earned the second spot in the first place. But she has lower WS than her sister Joshi, who has done relatively well on the GP circuit.

    OTHER COUNTRIES LIKELY TO ENTER:
    SWI 1 - Sarah Meier
    ESP 1 - Sonia Lafuente
    EST 1 - Elena Glebova

    I will add other countries who will have a skater in the QR as I see it.
    Umm... I think that the fun "Alternative ways to determine Worlds roster" is a fun hypothetical, not what the ISU will actually use.

    Keep the hypothetical in that thread, to prevent confusion. This sub-forum should be about the actual 2011 World champs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SerpentineSteps View Post
    Umm... I think that the fun "Alternative ways to determine Worlds roster" is a fun hypothetical, not what the ISU will actually use.

    Keep the hypothetical in that thread, to prevent confusion. This sub-forum should be about the actual 2011 World champs.
    This is not a hypothetical! These are the new rules passed by the ISU during it's congress last summer. I can see the confusion as I ended up getting into the actual rules in the hypthetical methods thread.


    ETA: The new rules can be found in the ISU Special Regulations & Technical Rules Singles & Pair Skating and Ice Dance 2010, Section 378.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs. P View Post
    This is not a hypothetical! These are the new rules passed by the ISU during it's congress last summer. I can see the confusion as I ended up getting into the actual rules in the hypthetical methods thread.


    ETA: The new rules can be found in the ISU Special Regulations & Technical Rules Singles & Pair Skating and Ice Dance 2010, Section 378.
    Thank you for compiling this list along with your excellent explanation of the ISU rules It's very informative to me.

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    Interesting thread, but a little confusing for me I admit.

    Anyhow, if this thread is about potential placings as well, I just wanted to say that I see Yuna Kim as the one to beat, simply because she has it all ~ jumps, presentation, beauty, speed, consistency, etc. ~ all this times 10. But my hope is that Mirai Nagasu can finally put the USA on the map, she has everything that Yuna has imho except jumps & consistency, Mirai's jumps are not as high nor are they all fully rotated, also Mirai doesn't have 3/3 combos., which will hurt her. Still, she is America's best hope imho because what she does have is flexibility, presentation times 10, tall lean ballerina body, joy, speed, spins, spirals, ad infinitum! And of course Mao Asada is always a threat, she & Mirai are on the same level imho, but Mao has the edge in technical difficulty (the 3axel!), and they tie on presentation imho, though Mirai is an extrovert whereas Mao is an introvert, I love them both.

    But Miki Ando looks to beat them both, lol. :D Why? Well because Miki has consistency & most importantly more difficulty ~ big high fully rotated triple jumps and 3/3 combos. for good measure, though the second jump is usually underrotated, unlike Yuna Kim, whom never underrotates her jumps.

    Still, it's wide open because when Carolina Kostner is on she's just as good as Yuna Kim, with even faster speed out of all the ladies competing! Then of course there are the Finnish gals, and the third Japanese skater whom is always a threat as well.

    This looks to be an exciting Worlds, but if everybody skates their best without errors or mistakes, I would have it Yuna Kim in first place by a mile, Mao second, Mirai/Carolina/Finnish gal third.

    That said, I just hope nobody gets injured or has to drop out; the best competitions are when everybody skates their best and you win! (:^)

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    In what alternate universe is Costner as good as Kim when she's on top of her game?

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    2008?

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    2008 Kostner would have no chance against 2009-2010 Kim. And she didn't.

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    Interesting that 12 to qualify for Short Program, could be in excess of 30 skaters in that qualifying round, I wonder if they b split into 2 groups and possibly seeded to allow the likes of V Helgesson, Lepisto or Marchei, Samson to get through

    Sarah Meier although she is the European Champion will not be at World's but I am sure the Federation will try to persuade her but I am 100% she will not be there, they will probably give that spot to Romy Buhler who did well at Europeans.

    Laura Lepisto very unsure. I would rather see Laura scatch this season out and recover fully from the achilles as it is a serious injury and start fresh next season. Not sure about Papp they might go for Juulia Turkkila who again did well at Europeans.

    Elena Glebova again uncertainty only 3rd at Nationals and seems to be slipping backwards. Again National champion Gerli Innamae did well at Europeans and might get the nod for World's

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    The swiss federation already nominated Bettina Heim in Ladies and Mikael Redin in Men for worlds.

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    OH Yes, Bettina was National Champion. Good luck to her but Romy Buhler has more potential IMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jammers View Post
    2008 Kostner would have no chance against 2009-2010 Kim. And she didn't.
    2008 Kostner had no chance against 2008 Kim really. Kostner was detroyed by Kim in all competitions throughout the season leading into Worlds, including the GP final where she had her cleanest long program ever probably (since she has never had a truly clean LP). Worlds was a badly injured Kim and she still would have easily beaten Kostner without what nearly all acknowledged at the time was some ridiculously bad judging. Kostner was never competitive with Kim at any point really.

    I agree talent wise Kostner could rival someone like Kim but unfortunately she has never put it all together. Even her best efforts of the past failed to maximize her full potential.

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    Kanako Murakami just won the Ladies' event at the Asian Winter Games with a Free Skate TES greater than Miki's at GPF. I think that makes it the highest TES of the season? (I just checked that it's higher than Adelina's too).

    Aaand we have a new contender in the mix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jammers View Post
    2008 Kostner would have no chance against 2009-2010 Kim. And she didn't.
    I misread your post. I think a Kostner @ the top of her game can beat Kim when the latter isn't. ptf pointed out otherwise.

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    Thank you Mrs. P for the What's it all about Worlds. I don't see any hypothetical listing here.

    I think predictions are a waste of time. I think highest past scores are meaningless, but it's nice to know who the contestants are. We'll see who the winners are some time around the 26 March.

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