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    2011 Four Continents & World Championship Teams

    Just for a quick reference if anybody was looking for it:

    2011 Four Continents & World Championship Teams

    Ladies
    2011 World Championships
    Alissa Czisny
    Rachael Flatt

    2011 Four Continents Championships
    Alissa Czisny
    Rachael Flatt
    Mirai Nagasu

    MEN
    2011 World Championships
    Bradley
    Dornbush
    Miner

    2011 Four Continents Championships
    Abbott
    Mahbanoozadeh
    Rippon

    PAIRS
    2011 World Championships
    Evora/Ladwig
    Yankowskas/Coughlin

    2011 Four Continents Championships
    Denney/Barrett
    Evora/Ladwig
    Yankowskas/Coughlin

    ICE DANCING
    2011 World Championships
    Chock/Zuerlein
    Davis/White
    Shibutani/Shibutani

    2011 Four Continents Championships
    Chock/Zuerlein
    Davis/White
    Shibutani/Shibutani

    The link above also has the info for Junior Worlds selection and alternates for all.

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    I find it a little strange that all senior disciplines except the senior men are sending the top finishers to 4CC.

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    These are listed under the appropriate championships.

    It's very odd that it appears none of the men's medallists were asked whether they wanted to go to 4CC's. USFSA is sending the team they thought would win Nationals to 4CC's and sent those who actually won to Worlds.

    Definitely different.

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    i hope I shouldn't feel guilty, but I was glad to see the men's team "split up" between worlds and 4ccs. I'm kind of wondering, though, why the same wasn't done for women's and perhaps the others as well....does anyone have insights?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dorispulaski View Post
    It's very odd that it appears none of the men's medallists were asked whether they wanted to go to 4CC's.
    Were they not asked, or did they decline?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    Were they not asked, or did they decline?
    Probably 4CC team form mens was chosen because Rippon, Abbott are strong enough skaters to waste completely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dorispulaski View Post
    It's very odd that it appears none of the men's medallists were asked whether they wanted to go to 4CC's. USFSA is sending the team they thought would win Nationals to 4CC's and sent those who actually won to Worlds.

    Definitely different.
    How do you know they weren't asked?

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    ^^ I don't think they were asked. JMO

    4CC is not like it was years ago a 2nd tier competition. It has become a pre-matchup before Worlds, federations tend to send their best skaters the US is no different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by demarinis5 View Post
    ^^ 4CC is not like it was years ago a 2nd tier competition. It has become a pre-matchup before Worlds, federations tend to send their best skaters the US is no different.
    Abbott and Rippon are 2nd tier skaters in US, befitting only 4CC. Dornbush and Miner are the 1st tier accomplished group that do not need 4CC for practice.

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    Yuka and Jason should bring Allissa and Jeremy to Japan after 4CC in Taiwan. They could hang out with Papa Sato, Kozu and Mao until Worlds (even if Jeremy's not skating at Worlds)

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    Quote Originally Posted by demarinis5 View Post
    ^^ I don't think they were asked. JMO

    4CC is not like it was years ago a 2nd tier competition. It has become a pre-matchup before Worlds, federations tend to send their best skaters the US is no different.
    The established rule is that the top [# of spots available at 4cc] skaters at nationals are asked. If the men weren't asked at this nationals, that's grossly unfair. I would like some confirmation before I condemn the USFS.

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    So is it your opinion that the other US skaters from the other discplines going to 4CC are 2nd tier skaters. Last I checked they are all podium finishers.

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    Serious Business is quite right about precedent. Winner take all has always been the practice of the USFSA. The top finishers at Nationals are offered Worlds, Four Continents, Skate America (in so far as possible), and they get their picture on the USFSA web site banner.

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    It may be precedent, but it's not the "rule" is it? I know this was discussed before, I seem to remember that the official process closer to 1st place automatic, rest up to the committee with deference given to top finishers at Nat'ls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ivy View Post
    It may be precedent, but it's not the "rule" is it? I know this was discussed before, I seem to remember that the official process closer to 1st place automatic, rest up to the committee with deference given to top finishers at Nat'ls.
    That's correct. So far the Committee has never taken an active role in pushing one skater ahead of another.

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