Yuka said she loves skating but hate jumping. She seems to guide her skaters to be more lyrical and improve their SS and the overall presentations, the things she was known for as a skater. But when it comes to jumps, I think her skaters may need additional guidance. Though I believe Abbott's problems are his own and nothing to do with his coach.Originally Posted by Bluebonnet
Chan's SP Base Score at CAN Nationals = 35.6, not 32.6. You may wish to correct the error in the list and update accordingly.
Chan did two Quads in the LP vs. one at the GPF and he didn't skate clean in Beijing. Yet, the judges still gave him about 10 points in GOE. If he skates the way he did in Victoria and put that in front of ISU judges, you can expect less GOE inflation but the TES would end up being pretty close to 100 regardless due to higher BV and clean execution vs. the performance he did at the GPF.
Chan's highest SP BV is actually at COR.
Re mark inflation for Chan's Nat LP, it should be noted that each GOE point for a high value element is worth more in marks than for a low value element. Considering all the exceptionally high value elements in Chan's LP, yes GOE points are naturally "inflated" even without any intention on the judges' part. If he skates as well at Worlds, his TES will not likely be deflated from NAT scores greatly.
Jeremy forfeited his spin at NHK, and then he underperformed in COR even though he rectified his spin. He therefore never got the BV as planned. If skated well, his LP's BV should be substantially higher.
Bradley, OTOH, probably would have his LP's BV quite a bit lower if skated internationally as at Nationals. The US Tech Panel was very generous with him.
I find, except for Skate Canada where placements were pretty much in line with the TES, PCS have been generally a much better indicator of most GP events' placements this season. Thus, Takahashi, Joubert, Vener, and Abbott all did better than their TES implied.
I thought so too.
Even though Base Value is the least subjective part in CoP scoring, it is not 100% objective.
Not exactly. The GoE factoring for the high value jumps (3A and above) is 1.0 and for all other triples it is 0.7. Thus a +2 on a quad is worth 2.0 and a +2 on a 3T is worth 1.4 - there is a 0.6 difference but there are only 3 high value elements, and all skaters top skater attempt at least one 3A or quad, so at most a 1.2 difference in total GoE (Ok, 1.8 if Chan gets all +3s) from oter skaters without those high-value element.
As for steps and spins, the factor for all level and all type of spins is the same, also for all 1-3 level footwork.
Anna
^^^Ah, but the top skaters don't get the kind of GOE Chan gets on his quads. Look up the updated Quads Of The Seasons I compiled. Chan has gotten the highest marks for his 4Ts, followed by non-contending quad jumpers. Chan's quads score over a whole point over Takahashi's only successful quad. At this point, Chan's quads seem reliable and of high quality whereas Takahashi has had one successful fluke. Oda's one gorgeous and highest scoring quad combo seems more like a fluke as well. Thus on the highest scoring element, the quad, Chan receives more GOE points over his actual competitors, magnifying these high value GOE, or what many will call "inflation". Such "inflation" is significant when Chan earns +2 GOE on his quads while other podium contenders get mostly negative GOE with < and <<.
Chan's 3A, OTOH, is less reliable. But he seems to have gotten over the difficulty of doing it after a quad and is now doing just one in each program while adding a trusty quad. I haven't compliled how the top skaters score for 3A so I can't compare this element right now.
The reasons Chan's quads are dangerous and newsworthy are 1. they are additional arsenals over all his other high level elements and skills, and, 2. they are of very high quality when landed, which he has been doing in practice and now seems to have been able to do with the same consistency in competitions as well.
The mark equivalences of GOE points for the assigned level 1 footwork sequence are very high - same values as for quads and 3As. That's also where Chan tends to receive +3s, maximizing the "inflation" again and somewhat making up for the disadvantageous low BV.As for steps and spins, the factor for all level and all type of spins is the same, also for all 1-3 level footwork.
The reason Chan can have such high TES is that he is able to perform the highest value elements, actually all elements in his programs, very well most of the times. When his performance is near flawless, the TES soars.
eta that Chan also has the stamina to execute his bonus added jumps well, earning GOE that less fit competitors may not. It all adds up.
Last edited by SkateFiguring; 02-10-2011 at 01:25 PM.
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