^ Quite so. The thinking of the USFSA goes like this.
At U.S. Nationals, three spots on the world team were up for grabs. Abbott got fourth.
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Yes, and further reflection gave that Abbott's age will be 26 this year, as his birthday was June 5, 1985.
If he is not at Worlds, perhaps Evan or Johnny will decide to return to eligible skating, something both of them have hinted at. And the youngsters Miner (just turned 20) and Dornbush (19) have a much long upside. So they left the kids alone, and sent Abbott, Rippon & Mahbanoozadeh to 4CC's and Messing, Aaron & Brown get to go to Jr Worlds, to get their qualifying marks for next year. All the youngsters get some international experience. It's all good.
Why would USFS want to do anything else?
C'est la vie.
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There is no reselection for the world team based on 4cc results in the US. Ever.
For example... Abbott, in his senior debut at US nationals in 2007, was left off the world team after coming in 4th. At that year's 4cc, however, he beat then US silver medalist Ryan Bradley to win bronze. He still had to stay home and watch Ryan splat his way to 15th at Worlds.
The only way Abbott can get on the world team now is if one of the existing team members had to withdraw.
If we could just not hold onto our American hopes, Hersch was correct in his analysi:
One medal for Davis/White; no medals for Pairs; extremely iffy for Men. Bradley will be in a full top drawer field. Czisny has a chance if she skates her best. Mao showed some poor international skating in the GPs, but came back in her hometown comp. We haven't seen Yuna (her last Worlds wasn't special) and how well Oppegard has been training her. Not much else in Ladies and I think Czisny plus Flatt will be a dynamic duo in the comp.
I dont see either Lysacek or Weir returning to amateur competition.
In Evan's case I would only see him returning if he thought he had a good shot of winning another World title or even defending his Olympic title in 2014. Unless Patrick Chan runs into some major problems he clearly does not anymore. So for that alone you wont see him back. Add to that the increased value of quads, his age, injuries over the years, etc...Not to mention the Japanese men growing in strength, even if Takahashi retires Kozuka and Oda (particularly Kozuka) are still young and will only get better likely which isnt really true of Evan "amateur" skating wise most likely, as well as additional up and comers like Amodio.
In Weir's case I think he would only comeback if he thought he could contend for a medal, even a bronze, at major events. Since he skated the best he could possibly skate by this point in his career and finished only 6th in Vancouver I dont see anyway he comes back. Add to that he has burnt alot of bridges over the years and went on to diss the judges some since Vancouver.
It is easy to see some on this thread saying well if Bradley can win Nationals why wouldnt Weir or Evan comeback. Well Weir's goal would be to be competitive again at the World level, not just in the U.S. And anyway one could point out someone like Abbott was usually outdoing Weir (especialy at Nationals) the couple years before he retired and even he only came 4th at Nationals. As well Bradley would have bumped Weir right off the Olympic team in 2010 if he hadnt totally bombed the short program at Nationals, and since then quads have been increased in value. So no Weir would not have been cinch to win Nationals or even make the team, just another contender to do so with Evan out. In Evan's case, unlike Weir, the road to the top in the U.S looks pretty easy and he could definitely easily contend for a medal at the World level still. However these still wouldnt meet his own goals I suspect. If he couldnt be competitive with Chan (and he wouldnt be at this point even at his best unless Chan helps him out with several falls atleast) he wouldnt want to return.
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Hmm, now that you put it that way - sounds about right! Except for the formidable Japanese ladies, but then, they can be as hot and cold and everyone else.
Originally Posted by Joesitz
The only U.S medal contenders are Davis & White and Czisny. Davis & White are pretty much a lock for the gold this year, unless Virtue & Moir make a shockingly great return to competition this season (shocking in that if they were anywhere near this best it would be shocking). Czisny could win a silver or bronze if she skates her best and some of the others have problems. I chuckle at the idea of anyone suggesting Bradley or Flatt could hope for a medal, seriously there is even a better chance of a pairs medal or the Shibutani's winning a medal than one of those two medalling.
Hersh is telling it like it is, and I applaud him!
That said, anything can happen, one only need to look at past history (& I'm not just talking about a few years ago, lol) to see how how slippery the ice really is.
I think everybody in US is rooting for Alissa, including Hersh, and including a lot of fans from other countries. The thing is that nobody wants this bubble to break. So keep talking about Czisny's inconsistency, deep down, wishing the miracle.
Originally Posted by Serious Business
I think Czisny has a chance to medal depends on which Czisny is going to be showing at the worlds.
That's one of the reason I like Hersh too. I think Hersh always says the truth, though a lot of times in snarky, harsh ways. But I don't mind. I always liked him, like the way I liked Dick Button.
Originally Posted by Mathman
Not a chance.
Originally Posted by Ginask8s
But it will make a huge statement for Abbott and Rippon and give a loud ban on USFSA's way of selecting world team.
I agree with PangTongfan, It'll be foolish for Lysacek and Weir come back. If they are smart enough, they won't.
Originally Posted by Bluebonnet
I'm not rooting for her, nor against her (lol, though last week I was! ), I just don't like her skating, period. If she wins a medal for the USA maybe my mind will mellow a bit towards her, but all's I want is for her & Rachael to earn 3 spots back next year. Then again maybe it's better if they don't, it will just make it that much more exciting to see who's the hungriest to earn 1 of 2 trips to Worlds. C'est la vie, let them cake!
And as an American, I have to say I love how the Team for Worlds is selected via placement at U.S. Nationals, as it should be. If you didn't earn your place on the team by placing 1, 2, 3 at Nationals, tough luck, you knew the deal, so stop whining like a crybaby, boo hoo, though I have to admit I haven't heard one peep out of those that didn't make it, rather it's the fans that are bawling, not all, just the poor sports.
Oh, shocking! But understandable, given that you don't like YuNa Kim's skating.
Originally Posted by Nadine
The way of selecting world team in US is debatable. We've had thread on it.
Originally Posted by Nadine
Last edited by Bluebonnet; 02-07-2011 at 11:33 AM.
Lol, Bluebonnet, I actually do like Yuna Kim's skating, though I resisted for quite a while because Mao is my favorite, and therefore I couldn't stand the thought of anybody being better than her.
But I'm a fan of this sport first & foremost and I recognize & acknowledge those that are better than my faves when it comes to skating, and Yuna Kim is better than them ALL. I've always acknowledged this fact, even when she first debuted her "James Bond 007" program last year, I immediately said *live* that there's no way in you-know-what that Mao could beat her, even with two triple axels.
Yuna simply has it all, fact, she can only be beaten by herself. Geeze, she's even better than the men, her scores would've beaten them all as well! Not ONE weakness, it just boggles my mind ~ speed, fully rotated triples & 3/3 combos., beauty as an added bonus, tall/lithe/balletic, natural performer/extrovert, and on & on & on. There are honestly not enough adjectives in the dictionary to describe her attributes. So I'll leave it at that.
I'm still rooting in my heart & soul for Mao to do well, also Rachael, etc. But the best competitions are when everybody skates their best & you win. I wouldn't want any of my faves to win any other way. Therefore, if the aforementioned scenario happened, as it stands now Yuna Kim would win, as it should be...
And we must presume that the strongest team as it is with other Feds, is the onetime comp at US Nats. If anyone was going to select the strongest team, would they leave out Abbott? What the US is sending as its strongest team is ok with everyone?
Originally Posted by Mathman
At the rink. Again.
It is full of the skaters who skated their best at Nationals, which is as it should be. This is the only time that all the top skaters in the country are at the same event.
Originally Posted by Joesitz
I am sad that Jeremy missed the team, but you have to skate for it and not fall on your most consistent jump (3Lz).
I am sad that Mirai missed the team, but you have to rotate your jumps and get credit for all your spins! You can't go out there like you've already lost when you hear the previous skater's marks.
I say the US should make a special criteria for Jeremy Abbott: keep him home when he wins the Nationals and send him to WC when he bombs at home.
Jeremy has done quite well internationally this year and I expect him to possibly medal at the 3CC.